Derivation of Entropy Eq - For Smart People

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The discussion revolves around deriving an equation for entropy, S, that involves partial derivatives with respect to energy (E), volume (V), and number of particles (N). It is established that S is an extensive quantity, meaning it scales with system size when intensive variables remain constant. The derivation begins by applying Euler's theorem for homogeneous functions, specifically by expanding the system size using a factor lambda and substituting it with 1 + epsilon. This leads to equating coefficients of epsilon to arrive at the desired equation. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding Euler's theorem and how it relates to thermodynamic principles.
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I came across a weird equation for entropy and do not know how it was derived.
It looks like this

S = N(dS/dN)[V,E] + V(dS/dV)[N,E] + E(dS/dE)[N,V]

note that these technically partial derivatives

So how do you derive this equation. I am assuming you start with the first law of thermodynamics but I am confused how they got this result.
 
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Actually, this follows from the fact that S is an extensive quantity: it scales with system size if you keep the intensive vsriables (temperature, pressure etc.) constant. The internal energy, volume and number of particles are, of course, also extensive variables.

Let's see what happens if we specify a system by the variables E, V, and N, and then increase the system size by a factor lambda. The entropy must increase by lambda too:

S(\lambda E, \lambda V,\lambda N) = \lambda S(E, V, N)

Suppose we put:

\lambda= 1 +\epsilon

and expand both sides in powers of epsilon. Then equating the coefficient of epsilon on both sides gives you the desired equation. This is Euler's theorem for homogeneous functions (a special case of it).

You can then use the fundamental thermodynamic relation:

dE = T dS - P dV + \mu dN

To express the partial derivatives in terms of the temperature, pressure and chamical potential.
 
Thanks for your input. I t makes more sense.
But what do you mean by expand in powers of epsilon and why do you need to replace lambda with 1+epsilon?
Can't you just use euler's theorem of homogeneous functions and be done.
I wasn't aware of euler's theorem so no wonder I was lost.
 
That's how you derive Euler's theorem. We have:

S\left(\lambda E, \lambda V,\lambda N\right) = \lambda S(E, V, N)

Putting lambda = 1 + epsilon and expanding to first order in epsilon gives for the left hand side:

S\left[(1+\epsilon) E, (1+\epsilon) V,(1+\epsilon) N\right] =<br /> S\left(E, V,N\right) + \epsilon\left[E\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial E}\right)_{V,N} + V\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_{E,N}+N\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial N}\right)_{E,V}\right]<br />


On the right hand side you have:

S(E, V, N) + \epsilon S(E, V, N)

If you equate the coefficient of epsilon on both sides you get:

S(E, V, N) =E\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial E}\right)_{V,N} + V\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V}\right)_{E,N}+N\left(\frac{\partial S}{\partial N}\right)_{E,V}
 
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