Understanding Orbitals to Carbon's s and p Orbitals and Hybridization

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The discussion centers on the nature of carbon's s and p orbitals and their role in hybridization. It clarifies that while the 1s orbital is not physically inside the 2s and 2p orbitals, they do overlap. Hybrid orbitals, such as sp3, are formed when s and p orbitals combine to create new orbitals for bonding, allowing for multiple sigma and pi bonds. The conversation also addresses misconceptions about orbital configurations and emphasizes that the number of hybrid orbitals corresponds to the number of orbitals combined. Overall, the discussion provides insights into the mechanics of orbital hybridization and bonding in elements like carbon and beryllium.
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hi, i have a little question about orbitals

Say that element carbon, with s, and p orbitals, does
the orbital adds up to each other, meaning is 1s orbital
inside the 2s and 2p orbitals?



If my assumption is true then how does hybrid orbitals work?
 
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Yes but when you get to the 3d orbitals the electrons are inside the 4s subshell even though the 4s subshell is already filled.
 
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Hybrid orbitals work only when bonds are made, they only require the s and p orbitals since the d orbitals are inside of both. The sp3 hybrid orbital means there s orbital has combined with one of the p orbitals to create 3 sp orbitals and one p orbital. This makes way for three sigma bonds and a pi bond.
 
thanks for the answer

here is another small question

considering BeF(2) how is there two sp hybrid orbitals
 
Since the 2s orbital of the Be is all filled up and it is bonding to the 2p3 orbital in the F two sp hybrid orbitals are created to allow the bond to happen. These orbitals are created in place of the 2s and 2p orbitals to allow the bond to occur bases on the pauli excursion principle. only one p orbital would be filled due to the bond, therefore two sp2 orbitals are created.
 
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f24u7 said:
Say that element carbon, with s, and p orbitals, does the orbital adds up to each other, meaning is 1s orbital inside the 2s and 2p orbitals?

Adds up is not the best selection of words... They overlap.
 
poopcaboose said:
Hybrid orbitals work only when bonds are made, they only require the s and p orbitals since the d orbitals are inside of both.

Not true - there are hybrid orbitals like dsp3.

The sp3 hybrid orbital means there s orbital has combined with one of the p orbitals to create 3 sp orbitals and one p orbital. This makes way for three sigma bonds and a pi bond.

Number of hybrid orbitals is always identical to the number of orbitals you combine, so you can't get 4 orbitals from 2 orbitals.

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pauli excursion principle

I am afraid parts that I have deleted were not better than assumption that Pauli went on a trip to came to the EXCLUSION principle.

No such thing as 2p3 oribital, no such configuration as 2p3 in F atom.
 
Borek said:
Adds up is not the best selection of words... They overlap.


i am a little confuse

so basically s orbital is smaller than p orbitals and overlaps with the two lobes of the

p oribital?
 
You can put it this way.
 
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Thanks for the answers
 

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