Is Quantum Gravity only related to Planck Scale?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between quantum gravity and the Planck scale, exploring whether quantum gravity is solely relevant at this scale or if it has broader implications for understanding the connection between quantum objects and spacetime. Participants examine specific scenarios, such as black holes and the Big Bang, and question how matter interacts with spacetime in both classical and quantum contexts.

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  • Exploratory
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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that quantum gravity is primarily concerned with situations where spacetime curvature is significant, such as in black holes or singularities associated with the Big Bang.
  • Others argue that the relevance of quantum gravity extends beyond the Planck scale, questioning whether the connection between matter and spacetime can be understood independently of quantum gravity.
  • A participant points out that classical general relativity connects geometry to matter through the Einstein equation, but this connection breaks down at singularities where curvature becomes extreme.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of having more than three spatial dimensions, with some suggesting that this could alter the relationship between quantum gravity and the Planck scale.
  • Several participants express uncertainty about the nature of quantum gravity and its foundational questions, indicating that there is still much to explore in this area.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether quantum gravity is exclusively related to the Planck scale or if it has broader implications. There are competing views on the significance of dimensionality and the conditions under which quantum gravity becomes relevant.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the nature of quantum gravity, the assumptions regarding dimensionality, and the applicability of classical general relativity in extreme conditions.

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Is the need for Quantum Gravity only related to understand what goes on in the Planck Scale between quantum fields and curvature of spacetime where they collide. Or is it a more general solution to how quantum object is connected to spacetime (or quantum spacetime)? Let's take the example of a table. Does this table as object of quantum matter connection to spacetime occur in Planck scale or larger length dimension?
 
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Quantum gravity is important in two basic situations. The first is when the object being studied itself causes a curvature in spacetime that is of order the (Planck mass)^2. Generally this happens for a black hole or big bang-type singularity, where there is actually a point in spacetime where the curvature is infinite.

The second case would be where our probe of a system is energetic enough that we cannot ignore the fact that the probe itself changes the background geometry. This is again related to the momentum of a single probe or, in the case of multiple probes, that the sum of energies approaches the Planck mass.

There are probably many philosophical or foundational questions that address properties of quantum gravity, but the fundamental issue that determines when QG is important is identifying the situations where classical GR is unreliable.
 
fzero said:
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the fundamental issue that determines when QG is important is identifying the situations where classical GR is unreliable.

In other words Big Bang and Black Hole. I agree.
 
fzero said:
Quantum gravity is important in two basic situations. The first is when the object being studied itself causes a curvature in spacetime that is of order the (Planck mass)^2. Generally this happens for a black hole or big bang-type singularity, where there is actually a point in spacetime where the curvature is infinite.

The second case would be where our probe of a system is energetic enough that we cannot ignore the fact that the probe itself changes the background geometry. This is again related to the momentum of a single probe or, in the case of multiple probes, that the sum of energies approaches the Planck mass.

There are probably many philosophical or foundational questions that address properties of quantum gravity, but the fundamental issue that determines when QG is important is identifying the situations where classical GR is unreliable.

Is the question of how matter is connected with spacetime independent of quantum gravity?? Or can we already answer now how matter made of quantum object is connected to spacetime? I mean, how does the interface work?
 
rogerl said:
Is the question of how matter is connected with spacetime independent of quantum gravity?? Or can we already answer now how matter made of quantum object is connected to spacetime? I mean, how does the interface work?

Well classical GR already connects geometry to matter through the Einstein equation. This is an equation that relates the curvature of spacetime to something called the stress-energy tensor. The stress-energy tensor is an object that characterizes the energy of matter: kinetic, mass, pressure of a gas, etc. So the Einstein equation tells us how matter deforms geometry. However, at points where the curvature becomes very big, Einstein's equation is a singular differential equation. We can't trust it or the singular solutions that we obtain from it at those singularities.

We also know how to do quantum mechanics in a curved background geometry, at least in the approximation that we can neglect the change in geometry that the quantum objects cause.

So away from very special situations (at least compared with the usual phenomena we experience on Earth) classical GR and ordinary relativistic quantum physics are very good descriptions of nature. However, it is still very likely that if we understood quantum gravity, we would gain a large deal of additional insight into the interplay between matter and geometry. It would be similar to comparing general relativity with Newton's law of gravitation. One can derive Newton's law from GR as an approximation when gravitational fields are weak, but GR provides a much more detailed picture of the underlying physics.
 
First ... we still don't know what happens inside the perfect liquid and what is in it.

Second ... if there are more than 3 space dimensions then Quantum Gravity will not related to Planck Scale.

jal
 
jal said:
First ... we still don't know what happens inside the perfect liquid and what is in it.

Second ... if there are more than 3 space dimensions then Quantum Gravity will not related to Planck Scale.

jal

Why. There is high chance there is more than 3 space dimensions. How come quantum gravity relating to the Planck scale is dependent only on the condition that there is 3 space dimensions?
 

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