People outside the US: We didn't vote for Bush because we are afraid, stupid, etc.

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OTTAWA -- The re-election of a war-mongering president shows Americans are "out of step" with the rest of the world, says a Liberal MP infamous for her blistering attacks on George W. Bush.

Carolyn Parrish said Wednesday that she's "dumbfounded" by Bush's victory. "He has been reconfirmed as their commander-in-chief, and he is a war-like man." American voters showed that they are "completely out of step with most of the free world," Parrish said. "I guess it's a reflection of the profound psychological damage of 9-11."

The comments came just hours after Prime Minister Paul Martin warned his MPs in a private caucus meeting not to make incendiary comments in the wake of the U.S. election.

Parrish wasn't at the meeting and apparently didn't get the message.

Earlier this fall, Parrish publicly expressed her disdain for what she called the "coalition of the idiots" who back the U.S. missile defence plan.

Last year, she referred to the Bush administration as American "bastards."

Now, Parrish is urging Bush to dump his ballistic missile program, suggesting his immediate concern should be getting out of Iraq and Afghanistan.

"I would hope that he'd concentrate on getting the U.S. out of those two problems they've got," she said.

"I think his immediate concern should be where he has soldiers dying."

New Democratic Party Leader Jack Layton said with Bush remaining in power, Canada now has a tough choice to make.

Layton calls missile defence one of the most important issues affecting Canada-U.S. relations.

"Now the Canadian government has to sit down and say, all right, how are we going to move forward on the issues important to Canadians," he said.

"This means that Canadians have to speak up against the missile defence system and say 'No' to participation."

Look woman, we aren't stupid. We didn't vote 9/11. We didn't vote Bush to stop gays from Marrying.
I am so sick of people who do not understand the American political landscape, and who are obviously EXTREMELY confined in their thoughts, trying to come up with one reason on why Bush won. If it is SO amazing to you that he did, then YOU are completely out of touch yourself. Disagreement is one thing, but the continued pawning off that we are stupid, or Bin Laden made us do it, is nothing less than insulting (especially after giving myself more than a few years off my life from stressing out on who to vote for).

 

[Townsend]

Look woman, we aren't stupid. We didn't vote 9/11. We didn't vote Bush to stop gays from Marrying.
I am so sick of people who do not understand the American political landscape, and who are obviously EXTREMELY confined in their thoughts, trying to come up with one reason on why Bush won. If it is SO amazing to you that he did, then YOU are completely out of touch yourself. Disagreement is one thing, but the continued pawning off that we are stupid, or Bin Laden made us do it, is nothing less than insulting (especially after giving myself more than a few years off my life from stressing out on who to vote for).

That is exactly what I am screaming!

Great post.

 

[arildno]

So, Karl Rove's strategy was completely inconsequential in securing Bush's reelection?

 

[franznietzsche]

Note to Europeans, Socialists (Synonmous), and all others who just don't get it:

Of course we're "out of step with the rest of the world." We're not socialist! Sorry. It is an irony that socialism has seen more expansion and victory in the post cold war era after the fall of the soviet union than it saw in the hundred years previous. But its not spreading here. Sorry. Get over it.

We don't agree with you. We like earning our money. We like competition. We like freedom to, not freedom from. We are not succumbing to socialism like the rest of you. So shove it.

 

[jcsd]

Note to Europeans, Socialists (Synonmous), and all others who just don't get it:

Of course we're "out of step with the rest of the world." We're not socialist! Sorry. It is an irony that socialism has seen more expansion and victory in the post cold war era after the fall of the soviet union than it saw in the hundred years previous. But its not spreading here. Sorry. Get over it.

We don't agree with you. We like earning our money. We like competition. We like freedom to, not freedom from. We are not succumbing to socialism like the rest of you. So shove it.

Nice one! really fighting the stereotype of the ignorant Bush supporter!

 

[Dooga Blackrazor]

Canada realizes those who voted for Bush made a bad decision. The NDP knows we need to stick up against the U.S and the (gaining in popularity) right-wing beliefs it holds.

Most Americans did vote for Bush based on fear or lack of intelligence. Voting for Bush based on moral beliefs is due to religion which has a correlation with intelligence. Terrorism was also a major issue that Bush led in popularity on. If I was living in America right now I wouldn't hesistate to argue with a crowd of republicans since Canadians stick up for keeping peace and realize when a government is commiting atrocities of war. Bush actually expects to kill people and achieve long-term peace through violence. Killing people and peace - doesn't anyone see the contradiction?

Bush won because America is an example of a failing democracy. You voted for the wrong person - you didn't vote Bush in alone, there is no need to rationalize. Some people are suprised at the result of the U.S election because they once had faith in the American people and democracy in the U.S.

People should also vote based on the candidate as a whole, not one issue. You voted for a leader with business policies that you liked perhaps - but what if he was racist? Would you vote for him then? The prevention of gay-marriage is like an unspoken prejudice that lingers over the unsatisfied gay individuals, gay rights activists, and gay marriage supporters. Injustice does not settle well certain people even if they aren't directly affected.

 

[arildno]

franznietsche:
That is precisely the type of idiot comment which shows how brainwashed you are.

 

[jcsd]

The problem is that to people outside the US Bush is an extremist and a stupid one at that; it frightens people that such a man should hold the most powerful job in the world.

 

[Townsend]

Hey arildno, how is it that you bash franznietsche but not Dooga Blackrazor? Or are you in agreement with Dooga's statement?

Most Americans did vote for Bush based on fear or lack of intelligence.

What is wrong with you people?

 

[franznietzsche]

Nice one! really fighting the stereotype of the ignorant Bush supporter!

Ironic because i don't support him. I don't supprot social conservatism. I don't like religious fundamentalists. But, I HATE socialists. Thats what it comes down to.

 

[Townsend]

Nice one! really fighting the stereotype of the ignorant Bush supporter!

I have a hard time seeing how his statement is even half as ignorant is Dooga's diatribe...

 

[franznietzsche]

Canada realizes those who voted for Bush made a bad decision. The NDP knows we need to stick up against the U.S and the (gaining in popularity) right-wing beliefs it holds.

Most Americans did vote for Bush based on fear or lack of intelligence. Voting for Bush based on moral beliefs is due to religion which has a correlation with intelligence. Terrorism was also a major issue that Bush led in popularity on. If I was living in America right now I wouldn't hesistate to argue with a crowd of republicans since Canadians stick up for keeping peace and realize when a government is commiting atrocities of war. Bush actually expects to kill people and achieve long-term peace through violence. Killing people and peace - doesn't anyone see the contradiction?

Bush won because America is an example of a failing democracy. You voted for the wrong person - you didn't vote Bush in alone, there is no need to rationalize. Some people are suprised at the result of the U.S election because they once had faith in the American people and democracy in the U.S.

People should also vote based on the candidate as a whole, not one issue. You voted for a leader with business policies that you liked perhaps - but what if he was racist? Would you vote for him then? The prevention of gay-marriage is like an unspoken prejudice that lingers over the unsatisfied gay individuals, gay rights activists, and gay marriage supporters. Injustice does not settle well certain people even if they aren't directly affected.

Its a failure of democracy because the majority got what they asked for?

Or because they didn't ask for what you wanted?

 

[franznietzsche]

franznietsche:
That is precisely the type of idiot comment which shows how brainwashed you are.

I bow before your superior counterpoint?

 

[graphic7]

Hey arildno, how is it that you bash franznietsche but not Dooga Blackrazor? Or are you in agreement with Dooga's statement?







What is wrong with you people?

Most Americans did, in fact, vote for Bush because of a lack of intelligence (fear) or they were conservative Christians, which does correlate with intelligence.

 

[arildno]

Hey arildno, how is it that you bash franznietsche but not Dooga Blackrazor? Or are you in agreement with Dooga's statement?

I completely disagree with Dooga's statement that the US is a failing democracy.
IMO, it is not.

 

[franznietzsche]

I have a hard time seeing how his statement is even half as ignorant is Dooga's diatribe...

Because he agrees with Dooga's diatribe. He doesn't agree with me.

 

[jcsd]

Ironic because i don't support him. I don't supprot social conservatism. I don't like religious fundamentalists. But, I HATE socialists. Thats what it comes down to.

What's a socialist? Your using such a broad term, is Tony Blair's Labour party socialist (they are infact in the Socialist bl;ock of the European parliment), is it the Swedish democratic socialist model your talking about? Is it marginal groups like the Socilaist Workers Party? is it Trotskyism/Marxism/Maoism/Hoxhaism/Stalinism/Leninism?

 

[Townsend]

Most Americans did, in fact, vote for Bush because of a lack of intelligence (fear) or they were conservative Christians, which does correlate with intelligence.

I suppose you expect me to just believe you? I could easily just make up something and say its true but I will not because I actually try to support my arguments with some kind of evidence which I might add you have NONE of and I challenge you to either find some real non biased proof for your claims or concede that you are basing your ideas on ignorance!

Regards

 

[arildno]

I bow before your superior counterpoint?

Thank you.
Learn something about the rest of the world before you speak.

 

[tumor]

Note to Europeans, Socialists (Synonmous), and all others who just don't get it:

Of course we're "out of step with the rest of the world." We're not socialist! Sorry. It is an irony that socialism has seen more expansion and victory in the post cold war era after the fall of the soviet union than it saw in the hundred years previous. But its not spreading here. Sorry. Get over it.

We don't agree with you. We like earning our money. We like competition. We like freedom to, not freedom from. We are not succumbing to socialism like the rest of you. So shove it.

Stop that stupid argument on sociailism, it shows how you are conditioned by elites to think that any progressive public program like national medicare eqates in your mind with something scary.
Democracy means rule by the people,meanwhile what we have in USA is extreme plutocracy .
If you were ultra rich I would agree with your statement 100% but reading from your profile you are propably just student in debt,and people like this should be more compassionate and think about other less fortunate!

 

[franznietzsche]

Most Americans did, in fact, vote for Bush because of a lack of intelligence (fear) or they were conservative Christians, which does correlate with intelligence.

Fear does not equal a lack of intelligence. There is no relation, assuming they have something real to be afraid of, like death(or is it?)

Are you saying religious people are morons? I think that's what you're saying. I concur.

 

[graphic7]

I suppose you expect me to just believe you? I could easily just make up something and say its true but I will not because I actually try to support my arguments with some kind of evidence which I might add you have NONE of and I challenge you to either find some real non biased proof for your claims or concede that you are basing your ideas on ignorance!

Regards

I don't have any 'non-biased proof,' nor do I care to have any. I'm right, you're wrong, and what's done is done. :zzz:

 

[jcsd]

I have a hard time seeing how his statement is even half as ignorant is Dooga's diatribe...

C'mon they both contain some profoundly ignorant staemnts.

 

[graphic7]

Fear does not equal a lack of intelligence. There is no relation, assuming they have something real to be afraid of, like death(or is it?)

Are you saying religious people are morons? I think that's what you're saying. I concur.

Well, I should rephrase, I suppose. Ignorance correlates to a lack of intelligence, and in some cases ignorance can be related to fear. Indeed, I am saying religious people are morons.

 

[franznietzsche]

What's a socialist? Your using such a broad term, is Tony Blair's Labour party socialist (they are infact in the Socialist bl;ock of the European parliment), is it the Swedish democratic socialist model your talking about? Is it marginal groups like the Socilaist Workers Party? is it Trotskyism/Marxism/Maoism/Hoxhaism/Stalinism/Leninism?

Marxism/Maoism/Trotskyism (i think world wide its accepted that leninism/stalinism are dead, and i don't recognize the term hoxhaism), but let me define:

Socialism = "Belief that government should compensate for material inequities inherent in a capitalist system"

Socialist causes = "War on Poverty," government subsidizing of health care, exorbitant taxes on employers (i'm not just talking about corporations, I'm talking about people like my aunt and uncle who own a small business with about 200-250 employees, and even smaller employers), rhetoric of "the working man" and similar BS.

 

[franznietzsche]

I don't have any 'non-biased proof,' nor do I care to have any. I'm right, you're wrong, and what's done is done. :zzz:

Sounds like a Bush supporter to me.

Oh wait, is he supposed to be condemning them?

 

[studentx]

Its flabbergastingly arrogant to call those who voted Bush brainwashed or manipulated. If the world had used real arguments against Bush instead of rethoric hatemongering, i doubt Bush would have beat Kerry. A blowjob is enough to get rid of a president, but they blew it. They preached hate and the majority naturally turned against them.
I wouldn't have minded Kerry as president at all, but they deserved to lose this time, poor kerry.

 

[franznietzsche]

Stop that stupid argument on sociailism, it shows how you are conditioned by elites to think that any progressive public program like national medicare eqates in your mind with something scary.
Democracy means rule by the people,meanwhile what we have in USA is extreme plutocracy .
If you were ultra rich I would agree with your statement 100% but reading from your profile you are propably just student in debt,and people like this should be more compassionate and think about other less fortunate!

Actually this is a timocracy rather than a plutocracy. And the only authentic example of one in history i might add.

yes i am a student in debt. But i believe in working for my keep. I don't want to have things handed to me, i believe in earning them. Is it so hard for anyone to believe that i actually just believe in the honor of work, and earning what you get? Is everyone that cynical? I'm an idealist, of the worst kind.

 

[graphic7]

Sounds like a Bush supporter to me.

Oh wait, is he supposed to be condemning them?

No, it's just something I don't think I can alone prove, therefore, it's not worth my time scraping up 'non-biased' proof. If I were to scrape up a bit of 'non-biased' proof, you'd be offended or someone would and that would make you biased towards any 'non-biased' proof I presented.

I'm basing my thoughts on events I have observed in first-person, which to me are the most valuable.

 

[franznietzsche]

Well, I should rephrase, I suppose. Ignorance correlates to a lack of intelligence, and in some cases ignorance can be related to fear. Indeed, I am saying religious people are morons.

"From the start, the Christian faith is a scrifice: a sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of the spirit; at the same time, enslavement and self-mockery, self-mutilation. There is cruelty and religious Phoenicianism in this faith which is expected of an over-ripe, multiple, and much-spoiled conscience: it presupposes that the subjection of the spirity hurts indescribably; that the whole past and the habits of such a spirit resist the absurdissimum which "faith" represents to it"

-Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, aAphorism 46

 

[Evo]

Everyone be nice...stop insulting each other...

I know these threads can get heated, just cool off a minute before you reply.

 

[tumor]

Is it so hard for anyone to believe that i actually just believe in the honor of work, and earning what you get? Is everyone that cynical? I'm an idealist, of the worst kind.

No! you are not an idealist, you are materialist/egoist.

 

[graphic7]

"From the start, the Christian faith is a scrifice: a sacrifice of all freedom, all pride, all self-confidence of the spirit; at the same time, enslavement and self-mockery, self-mutilation. There is cruelty and religious Phoenicianism in this faith which is expected of an over-ripe, multiple, and much-spoiled conscience: it presupposes that the subjection of the spirity hurts indescribably; that the whole past and the habits of such a spirit resist the absurdissimum which "faith" represents to it"

-Friedrich Nietzsche, Beyond Good and Evil, aAphorism 46

I don't want to get caught off topic about religion, but that's a quote I'm going to have to remember .

 

[jcsd]

Marxism/Maoism/Trotskyism (i think world wide its accepted that leninism/stalinism are dead, and i don't recognize the term hoxhaism), but let me define:

Maoism, Marxism and Trotskyism are very, very marginal poltical views in Europe (though certinly some parties have been influenced by Marxism). Stalisnism is alive (but again very marginal) in all parts of the world (for example in the US, the orgnaisers of the antiwar protests were ANSWER who are Stalinists). Most far left groups claim to be Leninists to some extenet (for example the Maosist-Leninists). Hoxha was the communist dicataor of Albania.

Socialism = "Belief that government should compensate for material inequities inherent in a capitalist system"

To general, neraly all governmenst , especially democratic ones go for some level of wealth redistribution whether direct or indirect.

Socialist causes = "War on Poverty," government subsidizing of health care, exorbitant taxes on employers (i'm not just talking about corporations, I'm talking about people like my aunt and uncle who own a small business with about 200-250 employees, and even smaller employers), rhetoric of "the working man" and similar BS.

Again neraly all governemnts worldwode subsidize helathcare to some extent (and I fail to see what's wrong with that, should we want the poor to die through lack of healthcare) again define exoribitant.

In short I really think your repeating some half-assed views that you heard someone else say as you don't know how the term 'socialist' is actually used other than as an insult. Sthe word socialism is used to describe a myriad of difefrent polical philsophies, some of them extremely unlike each other.

 

[franznietzsche]

Materialist? Odd word for me. Did you know i plan on going into academia and research? I think i could make far more money elsewhere. I expect i'll be living through what has been described to me by some professors as "abject poverty" during grad school. Oh well, i don't mind.

You people call me ignorant. You see my name? You think it might have more than trivial significance?

Ever read Heart of Darkness, by Joseph Conrad? I have great respect for Marlow. Marlow is the the I]last man[/I] .

Have you ever read The Metamorphosis? Gregor is the common man.

Hace you ever read Thus Spoke Zarathustra?

Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over the abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping.

What is great in man is that he is a bridge and not an end: what can be loved in man is that is an overture and a going under.

I love those who do not know how to live, except by going under, for they are those who cross over.

I love the great despisers because they are the great reverers and arrows of longing for the other shore.

I love those who do not first seek behind the stars for a reason to go under and be a sacrifice, but who sacrifics themselves for the earth, that the Earth may someday become the overman's.

I love him who lives to know, and who wants to know so that the overman may live some day. And thus he wants to go under...

I love him who loves his his virtue, for virtue is the will to go under and an arrow of longing...

I love him who is abashed when the dice fall to make his fortune, and asks "Am I a crooked gambler?' For he wants to perish...

Behold, I am a herald of lightning and a heavy drop from the cloud; but this lightning is called the overman.

Or Beyond Good and Evil:

The over-all degeneration of man down to what today appears to the socialist dolts and flatheads as their "man of the future"--as their ideal--this degeneration and diminuition of man into the perfect herd animal (or, as they say to the man of the "free society"), this animilization of man into the dwarf animal of equal rights and claims, is possible, there is no doubt of it. Anyone who has once thought through this possibility to the end knows one kind of nausea that other mean don't know--but perhaps also a new task!.

If you understood anything about me, or these books you might have a clue about what I'm talking about. But as it is, you are too ignorant, and uneducated, too plebeian to understand.

As for for egoistic, i plead guilty there. I would quote Muhammed Ali, but it would be redundant.