You approach a planet at a velocity near c, what do you see?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the visual experience of approaching a planet at velocities near the speed of light, particularly focusing on the effects of time dilation and the relativistic Doppler effect on the perception of time and light from the planet.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that as one approaches a planet at near light speed, they would perceive the planet aging at a rate influenced by their own time dilation, likening it to watching a sped-up video.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of the relativistic Doppler effect, providing a formula to calculate the observed frequency of light from the planet, suggesting that a clock on the planet would appear to run faster or slower depending on the direction of travel.
  • One participant notes that while the aging of the planet could be perceived, the light would be blue-shifted, making it difficult to see without specialized equipment that could adjust the wavelengths into the visible range.
  • Another participant elaborates that during the journey, one would see the planet age from its past to a point in the future, depending on the speed of travel, and suggests that there is a speed that could allow for a desired travel duration with minimal aging experienced by the traveler.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express similar thoughts regarding the visual effects of approaching a planet at high speeds, but there is no consensus on the specifics of the experience or the implications of time dilation and the Doppler effect.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include assumptions about the observer's frame of reference, the effects of light speed on visibility, and the complexities of relativistic physics that are not fully resolved in the discussion.

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I think about this every time I look up at the stars and think about the fact that what we're seeing is the sky as it existed X years ago, depending on how far away the star is. So let's say we're traveling toward a planet at near light speed, do you watch it age at a rate relative to the time dilation you are experiencing? I can't help but think it would be like watching a video of a planet sped up.
 
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cowmoo32 said:
So let's say we're traveling toward a planet at near light speed, do you watch it age at a rate relative to the time dilation you are experiencing?

If you literally mean "watch" as in "watch through a telescope", what you would see is determined by the relativistic Doppler effect. In terms of frequency:

f_{observed} = f_{source}\sqrt{\frac{1 + v/c} {1 - v/c}}

If you are approaching the planet at v = 0.9c, then

f_{observed} = 4.36 f_{source}

So if you were to watch a clock on the planet, through your telescope, you would see it as running 4.36 times faster than your own clock.

If you were traveling away from the planet at the same speed, you would see that clock as running at a rate 1/4.36 = 0.229 of your own clock.
 
Exactly what I thought, thanks.
 
cowmoo32 said:
I think about this every time I look up at the stars and think about the fact that what we're seeing is the sky as it existed X years ago, depending on how far away the star is. So let's say we're traveling toward a planet at near light speed, do you watch it age at a rate relative to the time dilation you are experiencing? I can't help but think it would be like watching a video of a planet sped up.
Yes, it would be like watching a video sped up except that everything would be horribly blue shifted so you couldn't actually see what currently is visible to the naked eye. But you could have some sort of electronic telescope with a monitor that could detect the images and put them in the visible range.

Now as you're traveling toward this planet, presumably orbiting another distant star, at near light speed, you will see it age as it existed X years ago up to the present time during the first half of your trip and then during the second half of your trip you will see it age another X years into the future, as defined by the common rest frame between you and the planet before you started your trip. If you go fast enough, you would only age a little bit. Take your pick, however long you want the trip to last, there is a speed that will get you there in that amount of time.
 

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