What lies beyond the quark? Unraveling the mysteries of the atom

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The discussion revolves around the nature of matter at subatomic levels, specifically questioning what lies beyond quarks within atoms. Participants explore concepts related to the fundamental structure of matter, the existence of "nothing," and the limitations of current scientific models, including the Standard Model of particle physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether quarks represent the ultimate building blocks of matter or if there is something deeper beyond them.
  • Another participant suggests that on very small scales, the concept of "nothing" becomes complex, indicating that what we perceive as a vacuum may not be empty at all.
  • A third participant references a chart of elementary particles, noting that these particles are considered the basic building blocks of matter as defined by the Standard Model, and mentions that all known matter is constructed from these particles.
  • There is a suggestion that the chart may be slightly outdated, particularly concerning recent findings related to the Higgs boson.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express curiosity and propose various ideas, but there is no consensus on whether quarks are the final layer of matter or if further subdivisions exist. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the ultimate structure of matter.

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Some limitations include the potential for outdated information in referenced materials and the complexity of defining "nothing" at quantum scales, which may affect interpretations of particle physics.

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Hi, a question I have been asking myself is what where to happen if we where to look deeper into the atom? Is there a point in where there is really nothing? As far as I know it only goes down to quarks. Is the quark the end of it or is there more?
 
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That is a very good question which is currently being studied.
One idea is that there is no such thing as "nothing" - on the planc scales, what we usually think of as a vacuum is sort-of foamy. On very small scales, though, our everyday ideas about what counts as "something" and "real" are difficult to apply.

I don't think anyone believes that the subdivision of particles goes on forever though.
 
Atom1 said:
Hi, a question I have been asking myself is what where to happen if we where to look deeper into the atom? Is there a point in where there is really nothing? As far as I know it only goes down to quarks. Is the quark the end of it or is there more?

This chart might be useful to you, even if it is slightly out-of-date with the most recent result from the Higgs.

http://www.cpepweb.org/cpep_sm_large.html

This is the elementary particles that we currently know of. All the bosons and leptons listed are considered as elementary particles within the Standard Model. It means that these are the basic building blocks of all matter that we know of. So your atoms, your nucleus, your mesons, etc.. etc. are all built using one or more of these, and held together by the "interactions" that are also listed in the chart.

Zz.
 
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ZapperZ said:
This chart might be useful to you, even if it is slightly out-of-date with the most recent result from the Higgs.

http://www.cpepweb.org/cpep_sm_large.html

This is the elementary particles that we currently know of. All the bosons and leptons listed are considered as elementary particles without the Standard Model. It means that these are the basic building blocks of all matter that we know of. So your atoms, your nucleus, your mesons, etc.. etc. are all built using one or more of these, and held together by the "interactions" that are also listed in the chart.

Zz.

Really great website there, Zapper.
 

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