Two-Dimensional Elastic Collision

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The discussion revolves around a two-dimensional elastic collision involving two particles of equal mass, where one particle is initially at rest. The original poster describes the scenario, including initial speeds and angles, and presents equations related to conservation of momentum and kinetic energy.

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  • The original poster attempts to set up equations based on conservation laws but expresses difficulty in solving the system. Some participants suggest writing the energy equation in terms of components and note the relationship between the final velocities due to the angle of deflection.

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Participants are actively engaging with the equations and exploring different approaches to the problem. There is a recognition of the need for additional equations to solve for the unknowns, and some guidance has been provided regarding the relationships between the components of velocity.

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There is a mention of the original poster's uncertainty about how to incorporate components into the energy equation, as well as a clarification regarding the nature of energy as a scalar quantity.

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A particle with speed v1 = 2.64 × 106 m/s makes a glancing elastic collision with another particle that is at rest. Both particles have the same mass. After the collision, the struck particle moves off at 45º to v1. The speed of the struck particle after the collision is approximately...

The answer is 1.9E6 m/s.

I drew a diagram of the scenario. I know that the two final vectors form a right triangle with the initial v1. And I have these equations written out:

v1i = v1f + v2f (since momentum is conserved; the mass can be divided out)

v1i2 = v1f2 + v2f2 (since KE is conserved and 0.5m can be divided out)

The first equation broken up into components:

v1ix = v1fx + v2fx

0 m/s = v1fy + v2fy

What do I do? Maybe I'm the world's least intuitive man, but I don't see how this system of equations can be solved. All I need is someone to tell me where to start and I'll probably be good to go.

[Edit] Am I supposed to put the components in terms of sine and cosine and go from there? [Edit]
 
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Write the energy equation in terms of the components.
You now have 3 equations and 4 unknowns (the final velocities, v1x, v1y, v2x, v2y).
There is one more equation you forgot:
v2x = v2y
which comes from the fact that v2 is at 45 degrees to vi.
Now you have 4 equations and 4 unknowns. Have at it.
 
frogjg2003 said:
Write the energy equation in terms of the components.
You now have 3 equations and 4 unknowns (the final velocities, v1x, v1y, v2x, v2y).
There is one more equation you forgot:
v2x = v2y
which comes from the fact that v2 is at 45 degrees to vi.
Now you have 4 equations and 4 unknowns. Have at it.

Can you do that? I thought energy didn't have components since it's scalar not vector.
 
It doesn't, it's still one equation. You just write it in terms of the individual components instead of the total velocity.
<br /> v_1^2=v_{1x}^2+v_{1y}^2\\<br /> v_2^2=v_{1x}^2+v_{2y}^2<br />

Another approach would have been to replace every v2y and v2x with v2/√2.
 
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Alright thanks. I got it. I appreciate it : D
 

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