What Medium Do Light Waves Use in a Vacuum?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of light waves and their propagation in a vacuum. Participants explore whether light requires a medium for travel, comparing it to sound and water waves, and delve into the implications of light being classified as a wave or a particle.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions what medium light waves use in a vacuum, referencing traditional wave behavior that requires a medium.
  • Another participant asserts that light waves do not need a medium to propagate, challenging the notion that all waves require a substance to travel.
  • A participant recalls being taught in school that waves need a medium, seeking clarification on how light fits into this framework.
  • It is proposed that light is a special type of wave that can propagate in a vacuum and is classified as a transversal wave.
  • There is a suggestion that light might be considered a medium itself, but this is contested by another participant who emphasizes that light should not be defined as a medium.
  • One participant explains that at a classical level, light consists of oscillating electric and magnetic fields, which do not depend on the presence of a medium.
  • Another participant clarifies that light waves are electromagnetic waves, indicating that the oscillations occur in the electromagnetic field.
  • A participant notes that while light can be conceptually treated as a wave traveling through a medium for practical calculations, this is not an accurate representation of its true nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether light requires a medium for propagation, with some asserting it does not while others reference traditional wave behavior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the classification of light as a wave or a particle and the implications of these definitions.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the definitions of waves and mediums, as well as the assumptions underlying classical versus modern physics interpretations. The relationship between light's wave-particle duality and its propagation characteristics is also not fully resolved.

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new to the forums, had a question and thought someone might have an answer. If I remember from high school physics, in order for a wave to occur it must pass through a medium i.e.. sound through air, waves through water. my question is what do light waves use as there medium as they can travel through the vacuum of space. thanks for your time.
 
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They don't.WAVES NEED SOURCES.Incidentally,light waves do not need support medium...Who told u that waves need a medium (substance:matter) to propagate,was not referring to light.If he was,he was wrong.

Daniel.
 
when we were learning about waves in grade 11 physics, our teacher said that waves needed a medium to propagate. I guess this kind of answers my question, but if light does not need any type medium to propagate, then is light waves in the same sense as sound waves or waves in water?
 
Nope,it's a special type of wave.It's the kind of wave that propagates in vacuum...It's a transversal wave.

Daniel.
 
so, let me get this right. light has to be made up of particles in order for it to be a transversal wave. so would it be right to say that the wave of light itself is the medium?
 
Not necessarily.It's a coincidence that LIGHT is made up of photons which have ONLY transversal degrees of freedom.As for the secod part,let's call light LIGHT,okay...?It's not a medium for anything.

Daniel.
 
Okay, i wasn't thinking of light as a medium, i was thinking of the light as a wave in the same sense as my previous examples. i am just trying to make sense of how light can travel through a vacuum. I guess my question would be how does light travel if it does not need a medium to travel on.
 
At classical (macroscopical) level light is made up of magnetic & electric field.The existence & the propagation concepts are independent of the "environment",whether vacuum,or not.

Daniel.
 
The answer to "how light waves travel" is "by electromagnetic induction". They don't call them electromagnetic waves for nothing, they are periodic oscillations in the electromagnetic field.

If somebody asks me "what is waving in a light wave?" I give them the unambiguous answer "It is an electromagnetic field".
 
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First let me be clear that dextercioby is absolutely correct. But I think that for clarity it would be good for you to understand that the distinction dex is making is of major importance only in the realm of Relativity. In other words where you would swich from using Newtonian to Einsteinian physics. Most real world calculations treat light if it were a wave traveling through a medium. Conceptually, it is convenient to think of it that way _as long as you understand it is not actually true_.
 
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thanks, its starting to make some sense. i think more research is needed on my part.
 

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