Variation of Epsilon Delta Proof

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The discussion revolves around proving a statement related to epsilon-delta definitions in calculus, specifically regarding the limits of sums and differences of real numbers. The original poster attempts to establish that if certain conditions on the distances from two points are met, then corresponding inequalities for their sums and differences hold.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the validity of the original proof approach, with some suggesting alternative directions for the proof. Questions arise about the implications of the initial conditions and whether the proof can be constructed by working backward from the conclusion to the hypothesis.

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Participants are providing feedback on the proof structure and discussing the rigor of the arguments presented. Some guidance on using LaTeX effectively has been shared, along with resources for further learning. There is an ongoing exploration of different proof strategies without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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The original poster notes a lack of familiarity with limit concepts, which may affect their understanding of the proof requirements. There is also mention of the challenges faced in formatting mathematical expressions using LaTeX.

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Homework Statement


Prove that if

##\left |x-x_{0} \right | < \frac{\varepsilon }{2}## and ##\left |y-y_{0} \right | < \frac{\varepsilon }{2}##

then

##|(x+y)-(x_0+y_0)| < \varepsilon ## and ##|(x-y)-(x_0-y_0)| < \varepsilon ##

Homework Equations


Postulate and proof with real numbers as well as inequalities.

The Attempt at a Solution



First we understand that the first two statements imply the existence of ##\varepsilon ## such that

##\frac{\varepsilon }{2} - |x-x_0| > 0##

##\frac{\varepsilon }{2} - |y-y_0| > 0##

Hence we can add the two statements.

##\varepsilon - |x-x_0| - |y-y_0| > 0##

##|x-x_0| + |y-y_0| < \varepsilon ##

Considering Triangle Inequality

##|a+b| \leq |a|+|b|##

##|x-x_0+y-y_0| \leq |x-x_0| + |y-y_0| < \varepsilon##

Rearranging

##|(x+y)-(x_0+y_0)| \leq |x-x_0| + |y-y_0| < \varepsilon##

Considering the inequality we can therefore say

##|(x+y)-(x_0+y_0)| < \varepsilon##

The similar reasoning can be done to get

##|(x-y)-(x_0-y_0)| < \varepsilon##

The proof is done as required. ##\blacksquare##

I have not read the chapter about limit yet, since this is taken from Spivak's Calculus problem in prologue chapter. So I might miss some important fact or theorem.

I also hope you guys can give me advice on how to make the above proof smoother or up to the rigorous standard, and additionally to write with LaTex properly. I've spend almost 1 hour just to transfer what I've done in paper to computer. I know I can use my drawing stylus, but I decided to try Latex in spite of that.

Thank You
 
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I think that is fine.

I would probably use the opposite direction: reduce the formula you want to show to a true statement. That direction is fine, too.

First we understand that the first two statements imply the existence of ε such that
They don't "imply" the existence. You just have to show (your long formula) for all x where ##|x-x_0|<\epsilon## is true. Therefore, in your proof, you can assume that this formula is satisfied - if it is not, you don't have to show anything.
 
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mfb said:
I think that is fine.

I would probably use the opposite direction: reduce the formula you want to show to a true statement. That direction is fine, too.

They don't "imply" the existence. You just have to show (your long formula) for all x where ##|x-x_0|<\epsilon## is true. Therefore, in your proof, you can assume that this formula is satisfied - if it is not, you don't have to show anything.

Ok thanks for your remark. Is it okay though, to prove a statement from the "then" part back to the "if" part? Is this what you refer by opposite direction?

Do you have any good reference to learn Latex by the way?
 
Seydlitz said:
Ok thanks for your remark. Is it okay though, to prove a statement from the "then" part back to the "if" part? Is this what you refer by opposite direction?

Do you have any good reference to learn Latex by the way?

You can find lots of good latex resources with a simple Google search.

Yes you can also start from 'then' in this case and work backwards if you would like to.

##|(x + y) - (x_0 + y_0)| = |(x - x_0) + (y - y_0)| ≤ |x - x_0| + |y - y_0|##
 
In terms of "smooth-ness" you could probably start the proof just from the Triangle Inequality. The first bit seems a little unnecessary. As for LaTeX, I like this site: http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Wiki/index.php/LaTeX:About for quick stuff. The best way to learn LaTeX though is just to start working and google as you need instead of trying to learn it then go.
 
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Ok I'll check the link out. Thanks for your help guys.
 

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