Find Local Extrema of f(x): f'(x) = x^2(x-1)^2(x-3)^2

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The discussion revolves around finding local extrema of the function f(x) given its derivative f'(x) = x^2(x-1)^2(x-3)^2. Participants are exploring the nature of critical points and the implications of the derivative's behavior.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the identification of critical points where f'(x) = 0 and question the validity of these points in the context of the original function. There is also a consideration of the continuity of polynomials and the implications for the existence of critical points.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance regarding the nature of the derivative and its positivity, suggesting that there may be no local extrema due to the lack of sign changes. However, there is an ongoing exploration of the definition of saddle points and the identification of critical points, with some participants noting that additional critical points may have been overlooked.

Contextual Notes

There is a discussion about the continuity of polynomials and the implications for critical points, as well as a clarification that the function being analyzed is the derivative, not the original function itself.

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Homework Statement



If f'(x) = x^2(x-1)^2(x-3)^2, how many local extrema does f(x) have?

Homework Equations



Extrema occur at critical points.

Critical points are values of x such that f'(x) = 0 or = ±∞

The Attempt at a Solution



Not all values that zero the derivative are critical points. For example, if the problem had been f'(x) = -1/x^2, 1/x would have been the original function. 0 would seem like a critical point since it causes the derivative to approach negative infinity. However, it cannot be a critical point since 0 is not on the domain of the original function.

Is there any case to worry with this particular problem, however? I don't think so because the derivative appears to be a polynomial and the original function appears to also be a polynomial and polynomials are continuous through all real numbers.

Am I correct? Should I just say the critical points are x = 0, x = 1, and x = 3 and rest assured they exist on the domain of f(x) since f(x) appears to be a polynomial given its polynomial derivative?

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Also, regardless of the critical numbers, the derivative appears to be all positive throughout its domain, making the discussion of relative extrema moot since there are no changes in the sign of the first derivative. All the terms are squared and we know that any term squared is a positive number.
 
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Qube said:
Is there any case to worry with this particular problem, however? I don't think so because the derivative appears to be a polynomial and the original function appears to also be a polynomial and polynomials are continuous through all real numbers.

Am I correct?
Yes.

Should I just say the critical points are x = 0, x = 1, and x = 3 and rest assured they exist on the domain of f(x) since f(x) appears to be a polynomial given its polynomial derivative?
The domain is not an issue, right.

Also, regardless of the critical numbers, the derivative appears to be all positive throughout its domain, making the discussion of relative extrema moot since there are no changes in the sign of the first derivative. All the terms are squared and we know that any term squared is a positive number.
Good, as this settles the question about saddle points.
 
What's a saddle point? I'm getting something about a stationary point ... what does stationary mean in this context?
 
Qube said:
What's a saddle point? I'm getting something about a stationary point ... what does stationary mean in this context?

A saddle point is a stationary point that is neither a maximum nor a minimum; for example, the point x = 0 is a saddle point of f(x) = x^3.

Anyway, you have missed two other critical points.
 
Ray Vickson said:
Anyway, you have missed two other critical points.
Be careful, the function given in the first post is f', not f itself.
 

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