Thermodynamical potentials: some hand-waving please

  • Thread starter Thread starter jonas_nilsson
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Potentials
AI Thread Summary
The discussion centers on the understanding of thermodynamical potentials in the context of statistical physics. Participants express a desire to develop an intuitive grasp of what these potentials represent and how they relate to thermodynamic principles. The conversation highlights the importance of recognizing the roles of internal energy, enthalpy, and Gibbs free energy in physical processes. An analogy involving conjuring a rabbit illustrates the need to consider molecular assembly, work done, and energy extraction. Overall, the aim is to bridge theoretical concepts with practical understanding in thermodynamics.
jonas_nilsson
Messages
28
Reaction score
0
Hello!

I am right now occupied with statistical physics, and of course the connections to thermodynamics are always there. We are especially verifying the old-school thermodynamical results. This leads to a lot of talking about thermodynamical potentials, but I feel that I and most of the students lack a "feeling" for them.

I would appreciate if some people could do some hand-waving and tell me what "feeling" they have developed for the thermodynamical potentials. What do they really describe? I'm sure it would help us out also with the theoretical stuff.


Jonas
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Suppose you wanted to conjure a rabbit in your hat. For one thing, you would have to assemble the molecules:

dU=\mu dN

But you would also have to do the work to make room for the rabbit:

dU = \mu dN + P dV (Enthalpy)

And you can extract some energy from the surrounding air to help you:

dU = \mu dN + P dV - T ds (Gibbs free energy)
 
Hi there, im studying nanoscience at the university in Basel. Today I looked at the topic of intertial and non-inertial reference frames and the existence of fictitious forces. I understand that you call forces real in physics if they appear in interplay. Meaning that a force is real when there is the "actio" partner to the "reactio" partner. If this condition is not satisfied the force is not real. I also understand that if you specifically look at non-inertial reference frames you can...
I have recently been really interested in the derivation of Hamiltons Principle. On my research I found that with the term ##m \cdot \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dr}{dt} \cdot \delta r) = 0## (1) one may derivate ##\delta \int (T - V) dt = 0## (2). The derivation itself I understood quiet good, but what I don't understand is where the equation (1) came from, because in my research it was just given and not derived from anywhere. Does anybody know where (1) comes from or why from it the...
Back
Top