Rearranging Equations - Solving for v

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of rearranging a specific equation to solve for the variable v. Participants explore the implications of this equation in the context of deriving a partial derivative with respect to temperature while maintaining constant pressure. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and conceptual clarification regarding the manipulation of equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses frustration in rearranging the equation P=[RT/(v-b)]-[a/v(v+b)T^0.5] to solve for v.
  • Another participant suggests that the equation leads to a quadratic form, prompting a question about how to express it as ax^2+bx+c=0.
  • A different participant corrects the previous claim, stating that the equation actually results in a cubic form, indicating that cubics are generally more complex to solve.
  • There is a suggestion to use implicit differentiation to find the derivative of v with respect to T, while keeping pressure constant, along with a detailed differentiation process.
  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding how to solve partial derivatives and seeks literature on the subject.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the equation's rearrangement, with differing views on whether it leads to a quadratic or cubic form. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to take for solving the equation and understanding partial derivatives.

Contextual Notes

Participants note ambiguities in the fractions presented in the equation, which may affect the interpretation and manipulation of the equation. There is also a lack of clarity on the assumptions regarding the variables and their relationships.

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This discussion may be useful for students or individuals working on mathematical problems involving rearranging equations, particularly in the context of thermodynamics or related fields where partial derivatives are relevant.

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Alright I'm going absolutely nuts here. It's a simple matter of rearranging an equation and for the life of me I can't do it. I've been working at it for like an hour now to no avail. Here's the equation.

P=[RT/(v-b)]-[a/v(v+b)T^0.5]

I'm trying to solve for v. I've manipulated this equation every way I can think of and still can't get it. I'm sure it's something simple but I'm stuck. Please help.
Thanks
 
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you'll get a quadratic in V. You are aware of this, right?
 
Nope. Completely over my head. How in the world would you get that in the form of ax^2+bx+c=0?
 
Well here's the real problem. I'm trying to get the partial of (dv/dT) with constant pressure from that equation. What I was trying to do was to find v from the equation and take the partial of that side with respect to v and the partial of the other side with respect to T. Is this what I should be doing?
 
Actually, you don't get a quadratic, you get a cubic! The least common denominator of the fractions, if I am reading this properly,
[tex]P= \frac{RT}{v-b}-\frac{a}{v(v+b)T^{0.5}}[/tex]
(Is that what you intended? Your fractions are ambiguous.)
is v(v-b)(v+b)T0.5, a cubic in v.
Cubics in general are hard to solve. Since you say you really want the derivative of y wrt T, P being constant, I would recommend "implicit differentiation". Writing the equation as
[tex]P= RT(v-b)^{-1}- av^{-1}(v-b)^{-1}T^{-1/2}[/tex]
differentiate both sides: using product and chain rules, wrt T:
[tex]0= R(v-b)^{-1}- RT(v-b)^{-2}v'+av^{-2}(v-b)^{-1}T^{-1/2}v'+ av^{-1}{v-b}^{-2}T^{-1/2}v'+ (a/2)v^{-1}(v-b)^{-1}T^{-3/2}[/tex]
and solve for v', the derivative of v with respect to T.
 
I think my biggest problem is I'm not really seeing how to solve partials. Anyone have any good literature about the subject. Thanks.
 

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