1-D Projectile Motion: Throwing a Rock

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The discussion focuses on solving a physics problem involving the motion of a rock thrown straight up from a bridge. The rock takes 5 seconds to return to the thrower's position, and its final speed before hitting the water, 21 meters below, needs to be calculated. Participants discuss deriving the equation v² - u² = 2as from basic kinematic equations, clarifying the meanings of variables like initial velocity (u) and displacement (s). There is a request for understanding the derivation process rather than just memorizing equations. The conversation emphasizes the importance of grasping the underlying concepts in kinematics.
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Homework Statement


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You throw a small rock straight up from the edge of a highway bridge that crosses a river. The rock passes you on its way down, 5.00 s after it was thrown. What is the speed of the rock just before it reaches the water 21.0 m below the point where the rock left your hand? Ignore air resistance.

Homework Equations


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y= y0+v0t-1/2*gt2
v= v0 -1/2*gt.

The Attempt at a Solution


I used v= v0 -1/2*gt to arrive at the velocity that the rock was going at the moment it was passing the hand. My answer was v= 0- 1/2*(9.8m/s2), which gave me 24.5m/s. I have an idea of where to go from here. I know I need to use v2 − 2g(y − y 0).

My issue is that I don't want to just memorize the equation. I need help deriving it from the two basic equations: y= y0+v0t-1/2*gt2 and v= v0 -1/2*gt. Once I do that, I believe I can finish the problem on my own.
 
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So, you want to derive?

##v^2 - u^2 = 2as##
 
PeroK said:
So, you want to derive?

##v^2 - u^2 = 2as##

I think so, although I'm not sure what the s and u are for.
 
Jarvis88 said:
I think so, although I'm not sure what the s and u are for.

##u## is the initial velocity and ##s## is the displacement. I'm not sure why ##s## is used, but it's fairly standard.
 
Here's my favourite derivation, as it reflects the way I think about kinematic problems:

##v^2-u^2 = (v-u)(v+u)##

Now:

##v-u = at##

Because the difference between the final and initial velocities is just the acceleration multiplied by the time.

And:

##\frac{v+u}{2} = v_{avg} \ \ ## is the average velocity (when you have constant acceleration). Hence:

##v+u = 2v_{avg}##

And

##s = v_{avg}t \ \ ## because the displacement is simply the average velocity multiplied by the time.

So, putting this all together:

##(v-u)(v+u) = at(v+u) = 2atv_{avg} = 2as##
 
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Homework Equations


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y= y0+v0t-1/2*gt2
v= v0 -1/2*gt.

You need to check where you got this second equation from.
 
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