2 Related Rates Questions (Calc I)

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The discussion revolves around two related rates problems in calculus. The first problem involves a ladder leaning against a wall, where participants are tasked with finding the rate of change of the height of the ladder as it slides down. The second problem concerns the volume of an ice cream cone being drained, with a focus on the rate of change of volume over time.

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  • Participants explore the implications of the initial conditions for the ladder problem, questioning whether the ladder slides down or rotates. There is confusion regarding the values to use in the derivative and the physical interpretation of the scenario. In the ice cream cone problem, one participant expresses being completely stuck after attempting to take the derivative and plug in values.

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Some participants have provided interpretations of the ladder problem, discussing the potential movement of the ladder and the implications of the initial conditions. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the setup of the problems, particularly regarding the coordinates and their meanings. The ice cream cone problem remains less explored, with one participant indicating a specific value obtained after differentiation.

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There is uncertainty about whether the coordinates represent the midpoint of the ladder or the endpoints, which may affect the calculations. Additionally, participants note potential inconsistencies in the initial conditions provided for the ladder problem.

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1. Suppose we have ladder laying against a wall, with x sub 0 = 1 and y sub 0 = 1. Given that y(1) = 1 and x′(1) = 1, find y'(1).

Okay so using Pythagorean's Theorem x^2 + y^2 = L, I found that the remaining side is sqrt(2). After taking the derivative I got 2x(t)x'(t) + 2y(t)y'(t) = 0. The only thing I'm confused about here is which values to plug in. I keep thinking that there's missing information in the problem or that there's some kind of typo. I've done questions like this one before, but the working of this specific one is so confusing to me.

2. Suppose we are draining an ice cream cone of the completely melted ice cream from a very small hole. Given that h(t) = 4 − 3t, r0 = 3 and V(t) = π/3 * (3/4)^2 * [h(t)]^3 , find V′(1).

This one I'm just stuck on completely :(.

edit: After taking the derivative and plugging in appropriately, i got -27π/16 for this one.
 
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Hello Hell0, :welcome:

Do I understand the center of the ladder is the point (x,y) and the initial condition is that the center is at (1,1) at t=0 ?
And then what ? It slides down ? Not if y(1) = y(0) = 1 !
Or does it rotate around its feet and fall over backwards in such a way that x'(1) = 1 when y(1) is y(0) = 1 again ?
 
BvU said:
Hello Hell0, :welcome:

Do I understand the center of the ladder is the point (x,y) and the initial condition is that the center is at (1,1) at t=0 ?
And then what ? It slides down ? Not if y(1) = y(0) = 1 !
Or does it rotate around its feet and fall over backwards in such a way that x'(1) = 1 when y(1) is y(0) = 1 again ?
Good question. Honestly that's all the info I have. Nice professor I have, huh? Anyway I made the sides of the triangle be 1 and 1, and found the hypotenuse to be sqrt(2). Then used the theorem again but this time found x(1) via [x(1)]^2+(1/2)^2=sqrt(2)^2 since y(1) is given in the problem and found that x(1) is sqrt(7/4) or sqrt(7)/2. Then after taking the derivative of the Pythagorean Theorem I get 2x(t)x'(t)+2y(t)y'(t)=0. Plugging in I get 2(sqrt(7)/2)(1)+2(1/2)(y'(1))=0 and find y'(1) to be -sqrt(7)?
 
hell0 said:
y sub 0 = 1. Given that y(1) = 1
Assuming that means y(0)=1 and y(1)=1, as BvU notes, that is not consistent with the ladder sliding down. Please check you have those data correct.
It is unclear whether the x and y represent the coordinates of the ladder's midpoint or the variable ordinates of its endpoints, but since that just makes a factor of 2 difference everywhere it might not matter.
 

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