Dismiss Notice
Join Physics Forums Today!
The friendliest, high quality science and math community on the planet! Everyone who loves science is here!

2D becomes 3D when looked at by one eye

  1. Mar 28, 2013 #1
    When I was about 25 I noticed that a 2D photo appeared 3D when looked at through a magnifying glass. First I thought it depended on the lens, but then realized it was because I looked at the picture by just one eye - exactly as the camera lens had seen it in reality. I.e. there is much 3D information in the picture, but discarded as 3D when both eyes simultaneously (unconsciously) judge it as 2D. I showed this to some friends and almost all of them agreed
    I was right. Most of them also thought my explanation for this "phenomenon" was reasonable. Although it didn´t work for everyone. But it is not a faint farfetched illusion - rather surprising and to some people even scaring.

    But first after a moment of perhaps 10 - 20 sec the 2D picture "jumps" into 3D.
     
  2. jcsd
  3. Mar 29, 2013 #2
    I will give a basic idea of an explanation. What you perceive as 3d is what your eyes and brain interpret as they combine information from your left and right eye. If you close one eye you immediately lose the pereception of distance and only guess how far an object is by knowing how far an object is judging by its size. Now if you look at an object (like a 2d photo) with one eye through a lense and and the other as usual you get a set of distorted information to your brain that "trick" it in believing there is actual depth in your photo.

    Same trick is applied in cinema 3d glasses where one lense is darker than the other tricking the eye by causing a delay to process of one eye (darker colour) hence givingh the false impresion of depth as images viewed are not matched.

    My reply is very rough but would give you a first idea before someone jumps in and gives a more scientific explanation :)
     
  4. Mar 29, 2013 #3
    I have to admit, when I first read this post I thought what you were talking about was silly. Good thing I tried it before responding, because it seems you are correct. Pretty interesting!

    There are several cues for 3D vision which come to mind. Each eye sees object at a different angle. This effect is greater for closer objects than for distant ones. Each eye sees objects at an offset position, This is the parallax effect. There are lighting and shadow cues. There are size cues, and other cues such as the texture of the materials which you are viewing.

    I think your analysis seems fairly reasonable.


    One eye viewing something, even a 2D picture without angle and parallax information, still has certain 3D lighting and sizing cues. Our brains still processes a lot of 3D information. Therefore viewing a 2D image with one eye, we still seem to get a reasonable sense of 3D.

    However, when both eyes are presented with a single 2D picture, the missing 3D cues tell us that we are viewing only a 2D image. It seems like an unexpected result, but true nonetheless. Nice job.
     
  5. Mar 30, 2013 #4
    Thanks for kind words !

    I think this "phenomenon" should be wellknown, but none appears having heard of it.
     
  6. Mar 30, 2013 #5

    sophiecentaur

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    This "phenomenon" has been well know by painters for centuries, I think. (Consider the really poor depth in earlier, medieval church paintings, done before the 'tricks' had been learned.) Your brain takes clues where it can find them. If it sees a printed picture on a flat sheet then it will realise it is 2D, due to binocular vision. To give a good impression of depth to someone who looks with both eyes you need some greater impact to overcome the strong clue that it's painted on a flat sheet. Vivid colours in a foreground and more desaturated colours in distant parts of a scene ('the perspective of Light' is described by Leonardo Davinci). There are dozens of optical illusions that give unnaturally vivid depth effects.
    With a very 'ordinary' photograph, those clues will not necessarily be there and the 2Dness of the picture will beat the 3Dness in your brain. I think that's one of the things about ones own 'successful' pictures - you were just lucky at the time.
     
  7. Aug 5, 2013 #6
    Are you giving me a "first clue" to this "phenomenon"? I had already explained it in original post.
    Your closed or "absent" eye does not contribute to the illusion - in other way than not giving information .

    You maintain 3D movies use this phenomenon. I am not upgraded regarding 3D movies/videos - but presume these, in some way or other, use separate pictures for left and right eye respectively. By using swift electronics in glasses or some kind of raster-technique etc. Cameras for 3D pictures/movies have two lenses.
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2013
  8. Aug 5, 2013 #7


    You have obviously misunderstood what I wrote. I talk about a mental mechanism that translates a 2D picture or photo into apparent true 3D, when looked at by one eye. This phenomenon obviously works regarding ANY picture or photo - but in different extent depending on circumstances. The effect takes place after appr 1 - 10 seconds, not after 10 -20 seconds, as I for some reaoson wrote in original post.

    This is obviously not a known phenomenon - in fact I have never heard of anyone having heard of it before I mentioned it. Some people even deny the possibility of this and object against trying it.

    Painters giving 3D-impression on their pictures has nothing to do with this. Although the effect
    also works on paintings: Looked at by one eye the painting looks more like true 3D.
     
  9. Aug 6, 2013 #8

    rcgldr

    User Avatar
    Homework Helper

    Modern cinema 3d glasses are polarized, and two polarized images are shown on a common screen. The angle between the polarized glasses and images are 90°, ideally completely blocking out the "non-aligned" image going throug a lens.

    Old cinema 3d glasses were red + blue, and two images biased towards red and blue were shown on the screen.

    Some home 3d glasses are shuttered and block / unblock vision in each eye, in sync with alternating images shown on a screen / monitor.

    Lenticular printing is another way to create a 3d image.
     
  10. Aug 6, 2013 #9

    sophiecentaur

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    Stereoscopic Cinema doesn't use plane polarised light - if it did, tilting your head a small amount would totally ruin the effect because you would get both pictures in both eyes. They use Circular polarisation clockwise and anticlockwise for the L and R eyes.

    Stereo cinema is very impressive but it is actually pretty over-stated, in order to sell that particular effect. Using the two cameras, separated a bit more than human eyes, will exaggerate the stereo effect. This is easily demonstrated with a large pair of binoculars, where the objective lenses are much further apart than your eyes. There can be an unsettling level of stereo effect, which heightens the impact of what you see. The super-3D effects that place images righ on the end of your nose are quite tiresome, after a while and suited mostly to animations.
    The other, more subtle distance clues which good pictures contain will give good depth perception at distances well beyond those that an eye separation of 70mm can resolve stereoscopically. Our stereo vision (as potential hunters) is at its best at the sort of distances where leaping on and catching prey is helped by our vision - i.e. up to, perhaps 10m. Beyond this, we use parallax, colour saturation and perspective clues at least as much.

    I have a feeling that stereo will become much more subtle in cinema, in future. In the early days of colour TV, people used to crank up the colour saturation control - just to prove to themselves they actually had a colour set! The same thing will happen with stereo tv and cinema, which is ridiculously over-done these days. Technology will have to advance a long way, however, and to do away with special spectacles and the like, before it will be really worth the bother of watching.
     
    Last edited: Aug 6, 2013
  11. Oct 21, 2016 #10
    Monocular vision gives only the quality of depth and it needs lots of variation in texture, shading and a strong perspective(not available ideally in photo, possible in painting) to construct a 3d scene. In contrast, binocular vision gives a precise estimate of depth. It only needs a minimum of two objects(without texture or shade) to quickly construct a basic 3d scene. Monocular cues complement stereo but can never really compensate for the lack of latter.
     
  12. Oct 21, 2016 #11

    sophiecentaur

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    I think you are overrating the importance of binocular vision. It is a very convenient time saver over a useful but small range of distances. (Suits close up hunting skills of course.)
    A huge proportion of the population has vision in one of their eyes that's limited in some way. Our internal map of the local world is assembled from many clues, not all are even visual. Machine vision may well use exclusive binocular vision but our brains are far better.
    I know two people who do not use binocular vision due to strabismus when they were young. Both can play raquet games fine.
     
  13. Oct 21, 2016 #12
    Next time try it while playing a decent 3D computer game - it will blow your mind!!

    Well, it is actually well-known. It is associated with paintings mostly - when looking at one you are supposed to lean back with your arms crossed and one eye closed :) I guess paintings are involved because for centuries these were the only 2D reproductions of 3D scene available.

    Stereo TV has its own share of problems. Being "more physically correct" it actually limits director's creativity. For example, we are quite used to abrupt changes of scale in ordinary 2D movies. One minute there is a tiny little person on a big stage and the next moment there is one big head filling the entire screen. It looks all right in 2D but in 3D it's just hard to shake the feeling that you are looking at a little animated doll, and then suddenly you are looking at a head 3 times bigger than normal. It fails because 3D TV is limited in the range of depths it can render and confusing stereo cues make it worse than no cues at all.
     
  14. Oct 21, 2016 #13

    sophiecentaur

    User Avatar
    Science Advisor
    Gold Member

    The fixed camera position is a major limitation. Even with a stereo system the two cameras are fixed. One eye and a head with controlled movement is more than adequate. Stereo is full of possibilities for optical illusions.
     
  15. Oct 24, 2016 #14
    For centuries, we are using beauty to see space but with stereoscopic tools, it is time to use space to display beauty.
     
Know someone interested in this topic? Share this thread via Reddit, Google+, Twitter, or Facebook

Have something to add?
Draft saved Draft deleted



Similar Discussions: 2D becomes 3D when looked at by one eye
  1. Wave 2d, 3d (Replies: 6)

  2. 2D or 3D? (Replies: 33)

Loading...