2nd order DEQ, conserved quantity

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The problem involves a second-order differential equation given by y'' - y - (y^3) = 0, alongside an expression for a conserved quantity E related to the system's energy. The original poster seeks to demonstrate that E is conserved and to find solutions for the case when E = 0.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to show that E is conserved and seeks initial guidance on the problem. Some participants suggest differentiating E with respect to time and using the differential equation to demonstrate conservation. Questions arise regarding the differentiation process, particularly how to handle dependent variables.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to clarify the differentiation of E and its implications for conservation. Some participants provide guidance on using the chain rule for differentiation. The original poster indicates progress by stating that they have proven E is conserved, although the details of this proof are not shared.

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The original poster's confusion about the differentiation process highlights potential gaps in understanding the relationship between the variables involved in the equation and their dependence on time.

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Given: y'' - y - (y^3) = 0 (equation 1)

E = (1/2)(v^2) - (1/2)(y^2) - (1/4)(y^4) (equation 2)

v = y'

i. Show that E is a conserved quanitity
ii. Find all the solutions with E = 0

2. The attempt at a solution

I'm not sure how to show a quantity is being conserved. In fact, I have no idea how to begin this problem! Does anybody have some information to help me just get started?

I solved equation 2 for v = (E + y^2 + (1/2)y^4)^(1/2). I realize I can integrate and solve for y(t) but it is really very messy and I don't see how doing so can immediately benefit me.
 
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"Conserved" (as in conservation of energy and conservation of momentum) means "does not change". I.e. the derivative is 0.

To show that E is a "conserved quantity", differentiate E (with respect to whatever the independent variable is) and use the given differential equation (y"= y+ y3) to show that the derivative is 0.
 
Question: How do I differentiate E with respect to t when y and v are dependent upon t?

here is my attempt...

E = (1/2)(v^2) - (1/2)(y^2) - (1/4)(y^4) where v = (dy/dt) =>

dE/dt = (dv/dt) - (dy/dt) - (dy/dt) = y'' - 2y'
 
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fusi0n said:
Question: How do I differentiate E with respect to t when y and v are dependent upon t?

Use the chain rule. For example, \frac{d}{dt}(y^2)=\frac{d}{dy}(y^2)\frac{dy}{dt}
 
thank you everyone; I have proven that E is conserved.
 
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