2nd tangential angle and torsion

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the "2nd tangential angle" and its relationship to torsion in curves. Participants explore the definitions and implications of tangential angles in both plane and space curves, as well as the mathematical relationships involving curvature and torsion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that differentiating the angle with respect to arc length could yield the torsion of a curve, proposing the existence of a "second tangential angle."
  • Another participant clarifies that the tangential angle is defined only for plane curves, asserting that space curves, which have torsion, do not have tangents confined to a single plane.
  • A different viewpoint proposes projecting the tangent vector onto the xy-plane to visualize the tangential angle and suggests that there is a corresponding angle related to torsion.
  • Another participant expresses concern that the discussion has become overly complicated, arguing that it suffices to study the angle between the binormal vectors to understand the relationship between osculating planes and torsion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definition and relevance of the "second tangential angle" and its connection to torsion. There is no consensus on the best approach to define or visualize these angles.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the nature of curves (plane vs. space) and the definitions of angles may not be fully articulated, leading to potential misunderstandings. The discussion includes various interpretations of geometric relationships that are not resolved.

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Tangential angle is defined only for plane curves. A curve that have torsion is not a plane curve. So, for a space curve the tangents are not in the same plane. Optionally, you can define "second tangential angle" just the angle between osculating planes.
 
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But if I to project the tangent vector in the xy plane thus we can see the tangential angle (in blue) and the red angle would be the tangle that when derivate wrt to arc length s results the torsion. This scheme is valid?

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I'm afraid that you have entered into too much complication. It seems to me that everything is easier. Whereas we are interested in the angle between the osculating planes and knowing that binormal vector is perpendicular to osculating plane, it is sufficient to study only the angle between the binormals. Thus, the sought angle is the angle between the binormals. So, I think that the drawing is not correct in this way.
 
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