Connection between cesaro equation and polar coordinates

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the connection between the Cesàro equation and polar coordinates, specifically how curvature in Cartesian coordinates relates to curvature in polar coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and transformations between these coordinate systems.

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  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references an article discussing the relationship between Cartesian coordinates and curvature, suggesting that the derivative of the tangential angle in Cartesian coordinates with respect to arc length equals the curvature.
  • The same participant questions whether a similar relationship holds in polar coordinates, proposing that the derivative of the polar tangential angle with respect to arc length might also equal the curvature.
  • Another participant provides a mathematical expression for the unit tangent vector in polar coordinates and the curvature vector, indicating the complexity of the transformation between the two systems.
  • There is confusion expressed by multiple participants regarding the relevance of the provided mathematical expressions to the original question about the relationship between curvature in the two coordinate systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the connection between the curvature in Cartesian and polar coordinates. There is confusion and a lack of clarity regarding the original question and the responses given.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of curvature and tangential angles in different coordinate systems may not be fully articulated, leading to misunderstandings. The mathematical expressions provided may depend on specific parameterizations that are not universally agreed upon.

Jhenrique
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First, I'd like that you read this littler article (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/NaturalEquation.html). The solution given by Euler that coonects the system cartesian (x, y) with the curvature κ of the "cesaro system" (s, κ), is that the derivative of the cartesian tangential angle φ* wrt arc length s results the curvature κ.

However, in the 2D plane is definied the polar tangential angle ψ* too. Thus if I want express a curve given s and κ in terms of r and θ (or vice-versa) I need to establish a connection between the curvature κ and the polar system. So, would be correct to say that the derivative of ψ wrt s is equal to κ?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangential_angle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subtangent
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...rtesian_coordinates_from_Ces.C3.A0ro_equation

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In polar coordinates, the unit tangent to a curve that is parameterized as r(s) and θ(s) is given by:

\vec{u}=\frac{dr}{ds}\vec{i}_r+r\frac{dθ}{ds}\vec{i}_θ

So, the curvature vector is given byκ\vec{n}=\frac{d\vec{u}}{ds}=\left(\frac{d^2r}{ds^2}-r(\frac{dθ}{ds})^2\right)\vec{i}_r+\left(r\frac{d^2θ}{ds^2}+2\frac{dr}{ds}\frac{dθ}{ds}\right)\vec{i}_θ
where \vec{n} is the unit normal to the curve.
 
I didn't understood how your answer answers my ask...
 
Jhenrique said:
I didn't understood how your answer answers my ask...
I must have misunderstood your question. I thought you were just interested in getting an equation for the curvature in terms of the parameterized r(s) and θ(s). Apparently not.

Chet
 

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