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The discussion revolves around the application of Euler's formula to the expression \((-1)^x\) for non-integer values of \(x\), specifically examining the case when \(x = \frac{2}{3}\). Participants explore the implications of using fractional powers of negative numbers and the resulting discrepancies in values derived from Euler's formula.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation showing that \((-1)^{\frac{2}{3}} = 1\) while \(\cos\left(\frac{2\pi}{3}\right) + i\sin\left(\frac{2\pi}{3}\right) = -\frac{1}{2} + \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}i\), questioning what went wrong.
  • Another participant suggests that the issue arises from not considering the general case, proposing that \((-1)^x = \cos(n\pi x) + i\sin(n\pi x)\) for odd integers \(n\) and noting that \(-1\) has multiple cube roots.
  • A different participant emphasizes that complex powers and roots do not behave like real ones and suggests looking into multivalued complex functions.
  • One participant asks how to derive the general form \((-1)^x = \cos(n\pi x) + i\sin(n\pi x)\) and shares their derivation of the simpler case for integers.
  • Another participant points out that the equation is derived under the assumption that \(x\) is an integer, indicating that substituting fractional values leads to erroneous results.
  • One participant confirms that \(-1\) can be expressed as \(e^{i n \pi}\) when \(n\) is odd, implying a connection to the roots of unity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of applying Euler's formula to non-integer values of \(x\). There is no consensus on the correct interpretation or resolution of the discrepancies observed.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the assumption that \(x\) is an integer in the derivation of the equation, which may not hold for fractional values, leading to potential misunderstandings regarding the behavior of complex exponentiation.

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It can be shown from Euler's formula that

[tex]\left(-1\right)^x = \cos(\pi x) + i\sin(\pi x)[/tex]

However, consider [itex]x = 2/3[/itex]. The left expression gives

[tex]\left(-1\right)^\frac{2}{3} = \left(\left(-1\right)^2\right)^\frac{1}{3} = \left(1\right)^\frac{1}{3} = 1[/tex]

while the right expression gives

[tex]\cos\left(\frac{2\pi}{3}\right) + i\sin\left(\frac{2\pi}{3}\right) = -\frac{1}{2} + \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}i[/tex]

What has gone wrong here? Thanks all.
 
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because you have not done it in general.
(-1)^x=cos(n*pi*x)+isin(n*pi*x) where n is odd integer.now put x=2/3 and n=3.
you get it equal to 1.also check out that -1 has three cube roots so just check out that that complex number is arising because of other roots.
 
Undoubtedly0 said:
It can be shown from Euler's formula that

[tex]\left(-1\right)^x = \cos(\pi x) + i\sin(\pi x)[/tex]

However, consider [itex]x = 2/3[/itex]. The left expression gives

[tex]\left(-1\right)^\frac{2}{3} = \left(\left(-1\right)^2\right)^\frac{1}{3} = \left(1\right)^\frac{1}{3} = 1[/tex]

while the right expression gives

[tex]\cos\left(\frac{2\pi}{3}\right) + i\sin\left(\frac{2\pi}{3}\right) = -\frac{1}{2} + \frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}i[/tex]

What has gone wrong here? Thanks all.


Complexpowers, roots don't behave as real ones. Read about multivaluate complex functions...or wait until the appropiate course at university.

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andrien said:
because you have not done it in general.
(-1)^x=cos(n*pi*x)+isin(n*pi*x) where n is odd integer.now put x=2/3 and n=3.
you get it equal to 1.also check out that -1 has three cube roots so just check out that that complex number is arising because of other roots.

How does one derive [itex](-1)^x=\cos(n\pi x)+i\sin(n\pi x)[/itex]?

To derive [itex](-1)^x=\cos(\pi x)+i\sin(\pi x)[/itex] I simply used
[tex]\ln\left((-1)^x)\right)=x\ln(-1)=x\pi i[/tex]
therefore [itex](-1)^x = e^{x\pi i} = \cos(\pi x)+i\sin(\pi x)[/itex].

Where did I miss the general case? Thanks again.
 
can't you just verify that -1 is equal to exp(i*n*pi) when n is odd.
 
The equation, (-1)^x=cos(pi*x)+i*sin(pi*x) is derived from Euler's identity based on the assumption that 'x' is an integer. Hence substituting fractional value for 'x' in the equation will lead to erroneous results. The derivation is as follows,
e^(i*y)=cos(y)+i*sin(y)...(Original Euler's identity)
Now replacing 'y' with 'pi*x', you will end up with
e^(i*pi*x)=cos(pi*x)+i*sin(pi*x)...(1)
Assuming that 'x' is an integer, cos(pi*x)=(-1)^x and sin(pi*x)=0.
substituting them in (1)
e^(i*pi*x)=(-1)^x...(2)
substituting (2) in (1), you will end up with (-1)^x=cos(pi*x)+i*sin(pi*x) for x is an integer.
 

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