A Few Quick Questions: Integral Notation and Integrals

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The discussion revolves around understanding integral notation and the interpretation of definite and indefinite integrals, specifically focusing on the concept of negative areas under curves and the implications of integrating functions that cross the x-axis.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the meaning of negative areas in integrals, questioning how an area can be negative and discussing the interpretation of integrals that yield negative results. There is also clarification sought regarding the notation of indefinite integrals.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants sharing insights about the relationship between the area under a curve and the x-axis. Some participants suggest that thinking of integration in terms of area can be beneficial, while others express uncertainty about this approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants are preparing for a final exam and are working through practice problems, which may influence their understanding and interpretation of the concepts discussed.

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Homework Statement



The integral (2x) dx between x= -2 and 1

and indefinate integral (dx)/((x+3)^2)

Homework Equations



None really.

The Attempt at a Solution



I am working through practice problems for my final later this week. I have come across a few integral problems where the answer comes out as a negative number. I have no problems doing these questions I am just having an issue understanding how an area can be negative.

And for the second one does this simply mean that it is integral (1/((x+3)^2) dx??

Thanks
 
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Canadian said:
I am working through practice problems for my final later this week. I have come across a few integral problems where the answer comes out as a negative number. I have no problems doing these questions I am just having an issue understanding how an area can be negative.

We define a negative area to mean the area underneath the graph when the function is negative, and so is below the x axis. As an example, consider the integral of the function sin(x) between pi and 2*pi:
[tex]\int_\pi^{2\pi}sin(x)dx=[-cos(x)]_\pi^{2\pi}=-2[/tex]

Looking at the graph of the sine function, we see that the given integral is in the region where the function is negative, and so this gives rise to the "negative" area under the curve.

And for the second one does this simply mean that it is integral (1/((x+3)^2) dx??

Thanks
Correct.
 
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Thanks,

So when you are asked to find the area under a curve between two points and the function happens to be both above and below the x-axis on that interval. You are really being asked to find the difference between the area above and below the graph to the x axis?

I guess I shouldn't be thinking in terms of area then.
 
Canadian said:
So when you are asked to find the area under a curve between two points and the function happens to be both above and below the x-axis on that interval. You are really being asked to find the difference between the area above and below the graph to the x axis?
Exactly.
Canadian said:
I guess I shouldn't be thinking in terms of area then.
Thinking of integration in terms of area can actually be quite helpful at times, consider:
[tex]\int_0^{2\pi}sin(x)dx[/tex]

Because the area above the graph is the same as the area below the graph, you immediately know the integral evaluates to 0, without doing any integration.
 
Canadian said:
Thanks,

So when you are asked to find the area under a curve between two points and the function happens to be both above and below the x-axis on that interval. You are really being asked to find the difference between the area above and below the graph to the x axis?

Yes, then if the difference is negative, it shows the area below the x-axis is greater, and vice versa. If you consider the above example with sin(x), but this time integrate between 0 and 2*pi, then the value of the integral is zero. This is because the area below and above the axis are equal, and so cancel out.
 

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