A little philosophical electric discussion

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The discussion explores the role of electrons in fundamental interactions, chemical reactions, and the nature of connections between objects and living beings. It touches on philosophical questions regarding the interconnectedness of all matter and the implications of electron movement in various contexts, including human interactions and the effects of sunlight.

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  • Some participants propose that the movement of electrons is a fundamental interaction underlying all known phenomena, including chemical reactions.
  • Others argue that there are four fundamental forces of nature, with electrons being a key component of the electromagnetic force, but not the sole interaction.
  • Questions are raised about whether humans leave behind electrons when touching objects of opposite charge, with some clarifying that human bodies are primarily composed of neutral atoms.
  • Participants discuss whether sunlight transfers electrons into our bodies, with one noting that photons are absorbed and primarily cause heat, rather than direct electron transfer.
  • There is a debate about the nature of interactions between electrons and objects, with some suggesting that light interacts with our perception through molecular processes in the eye.
  • Some participants highlight that electrical attraction is crucial in chemical interactions, questioning the implications of net neutral charge in these processes.
  • Discussion includes the Van der Waals force as an example of electrical attraction affecting molecular interactions.
  • There is mention of the movement of electrons being related to heat generation when photons interact with atoms, though the nature of photons and their relation to electrons remains a topic of inquiry.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of electrons in fundamental interactions and the nature of their connections to other forces and phenomena. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and implications of these interactions.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of interactions involving electrons and photons, with some statements reflecting uncertainty about definitions and the nature of these particles. The discussion does not resolve the various interpretations of electron interactions.

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A little philosophical electric discussion...

So, am I understanding this correctly? The movement of electrons is the fundamental interaction of all that we know...right? It's the driving force behind chemical reactions of all kinds and those are at the root of, well everything...right?

Sooooo...are we all connected through a massive universal circuit??

Maybe that cannot be answered definitively.

What about our human bodies, do we leave behind electrons when we touch things of opposite charge?

Does sunlight transfer electrons from outer space into our bodies?

If we look at an object does it's electrons interact with our body?
 
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tempneff said:
So, am I understanding this correctly? The movement of electrons is the fundamental interaction of all that we know...right? It's the driving force behind chemical reactions of all kinds and those are at the root of, well everything...right?

Actually there are 4 fundamental forces of nature. The Electron is a main source of one of them, the electromagnetic force. In addition there is the Strong force, which holds the quarks, the particles that compose Protons and Neutrons together, the weak force, which gives us beta decay, and gravity, which makes it really painful to jump off of a bridge.

Sooooo...are we all connected through a massive universal circuit??

Not at all.

What about our human bodies, do we leave behind electrons when we touch things of opposite charge?

Of opposite charge of what? Your body is composed primarily of atoms of neutral charge. IE they have equal protons (positive charge) and electrons (negative charge) in each atom.

Does sunlight transfer electrons from outer space into our bodies?

Photons (the particle of light) are absorbed in our body. One of the main things they cause is heat! Hence why you get REALLY hot in the middle of summer if you stand out in the sun.

If we look at an object does it's electrons interact with our body?

Depends on what you mean by that. Light that is either emitted or reflected from an object is absorbed by certain molecules in the retina of your eye. This starts a chain of events that eventually leads to you seeing the object.
 


Of opposite charge of what? Your body is composed primarily of atoms of neutral charge. IE they have equal protons (positive charge) and electrons (negative charge) in each atom.



Hmmm..I see your point. But despite our electrical balance, are we not constantly undergoing chemical interactions with the things around us. Isn't it electrical attraction that makes molecules combine or change. If we touch water it sticks to us, isn't this electrical? A net neutral charge isn't indicative of exclusive neutrality is it?


photons (the particle of light) are absorbed in our body. One of the main things they cause is heat! Hence why you get REALLY hot in the middle of summer if you stand out in the sun.

Right, but isn't that heat due to the movement of electrons between atoms agitated by the energy brought by the photon. Also, I know the jury is out in regard to what a photon is comprised of, but isn't there an electron - positron theory. So again, electron transfer?
 


tempneff said:
Hmmm..I see your point. But despite our electrical balance, are we not constantly undergoing chemical interactions with the things around us. Isn't it electrical attraction that makes molecules combine or change. If we touch water it sticks to us, isn't this electrical? A net neutral charge isn't indicative of exclusive neutrality is it?

You are correct. The Van der Waal's force is one such effect. The charge from the atom "leaks" out because it is not 100% neutral thanks to the way the electrons occupy their orbitals. This attraction is one way that atoms and molecules stick together.
Right, but isn't that heat due to the movement of electrons between atoms agitated by the energy brought by the photon. Also, I know the jury is out in regard to what a photon is comprised of, but isn't there an electron - positron theory. So again, electron transfer?

Yes, the light causes movement of the electrons of the atom, as well as the atom as a whole. It can vibrate and rotate and such. To my knowledge there isn't really much debate on what a photon is. I think it is simply a quantization of the electromagnetic field. This usually isn't regarded as an interaction between electrons. After all, it is possible for things other than electrons to emit light. I believe any charged particle will do, such as a proton.
 

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