For All Positive Numbers: Is y the Solution?

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The discussion centers on the mathematical statement regarding the existence of a positive number y such that y² = x if and only if x > 0. Participants express confusion over the interpretation of "all" in the context of this statement, questioning whether it implies a universal quantifier. Clarifications indicate that "there exists" and "for all" apply to variables rather than statements, emphasizing that the existence of a single positive number whose square equals all positive numbers is nonsensical. The conversation highlights the importance of understanding the context and meaning of quantifiers in mathematical logic. Ultimately, the consensus is that the phrasing of the original statement is misleading.
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Homework Statement


There exists y > 0 such that [y^{2} = x if and only if x > 0].

This means that "there is some positive number whose square equals all positive
numbers." - St. John College, Oxford

The Attempt at a Solution


I am not sure about this statement "- - some positive number whose square equals
all positive numbers", and particularly about the word "all".

I would read the statement as
If \exists y > 0, then \exists [ y^{2} = x if and only if x > 0]

It seems that the statement should be read as
If \exists y > 0, then \forall [ y^{2} = x if and only if x > 0]

Is there always "for all" after "such that"?
 
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soopo said:

Homework Statement


There exists y > 0 such that [y^{2} = x if and only if x > 0].

This means that "there is some positive number whose square equals all positive
numbers." - St. John College, Oxford

The Attempt at a Solution


I am not sure about this statement "- - some positive number whose square equals
all positive numbers", and particularly about the word "all".

I would read the statement as
If \exists y > 0, then \exists [ y^{2} = x if and only if x > 0]
You don't say "there exists" a statement. "There exists" and "for all" only apply to variables.

It seems that the statement should be read as
If \exists y > 0, then \forall [ y^{2} = x if and only if x > 0]

Is there always "for all" after "such that"?
Not necessarily. There exist x> 0 such that x2= 4. That has no "for all". Try thinking about what "for all" means rather than looking for general rules.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Try thinking about what "for all" means rather than looking for general rules.

It seems that we need to make statements true for a given context.

For example, the above example with "for all" is false, whereas right with the "exists". It is nonsense to say that there exists one positive real number whose square equals all positive numbers.

HallsofIvy said:
You don't say "there exists" a statement. "There exists" and "for all" only apply to variables.
The quantifiers apply to the variables. I agree with you about that.
 
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