A plasma is typically an ionized gas

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The discussion revolves around the nature of plasma as an ionized gas, exploring its charge characteristics, neutrality, and the conditions under which it exists, particularly in high-temperature environments relevant to fusion. The scope includes conceptual clarifications and technical explanations.

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  • Some participants question whether all plasmas are positively charged since electrons are dissociated from atoms.
  • There is a discussion on the neutrality of plasmas despite carrying charges, with some arguing that the presence of free electrons maintains overall neutrality.
  • One participant emphasizes that the disassociated electrons remain within the plasma, contributing to its neutral charge.
  • Another participant highlights the high temperatures of plasmas, particularly in fusion contexts, and discusses the implications of ionization energy and charge interactions.
  • Concerns are raised about the behavior of positive charges in a plasma and their tendency to attract electrons, suggesting a dynamic balance that maintains neutrality.

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Participants express differing views on the charge characteristics of plasma and its neutrality, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

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There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of charge neutrality in plasmas and the conditions under which these characteristics hold true, particularly in high-energy environments.

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from wikipedia:
"a plasma is typically an ionized gas, and is usually considered to be a distinct phase of matter. "Ionized" in this case means that at least one electron has been dissociated from a proportion of the atoms or molecules."

1. Since electrons has been dissociated only but not associated, so are all plasmas positively charged?

"Plasma typically takes the form of neutral gas-like clouds or charged ion beams..."

2. Plasmas carry charges. So why is it neutral?

Sorry for my un-up-to-standard questions...
 
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lwymarie said:
from wikipedia:
"a plasma is typically an ionized gas, and is usually considered to be a distinct phase of matter. "Ionized" in this case means that at least one electron has been dissociated from a proportion of the atoms or molecules."

1. Since electrons has been dissociated only but not associated, so are all plasmas positively charged?

"Plasma typically takes the form of neutral gas-like clouds or charged ion beams..."

2. Plasmas carry charges. So why is it neutral?

Sorry for my un-up-to-standard questions...

Just because an electron has been stripped from an atom doesn't mean the electron just disappear. It is still in the gas. Thus, the whole plasma is neutral.

The same thing happens in your ordinary conductor. The conduction electrons are mobile and do not belong to a particular atom. Yet, the whole conductor remains electrically neutral.

Zz.
 
Supplementing what Mk and ZapperZ mentioned, plasmas are hot - really hot. Hydrogen plasmas for fusion are heated to the keV range and remember that 1 ev ~ 11605 K, so 1 keV ~ 11605000 K.

OK, what is the ionization energy of the hydrogen atom? 13.6 eV.

Well 1 keV >> 13.6 eV, so it's pretty easy to keep a hydrogen atom ionized by virtue of collisions.

Keep in mind that + and - charges attract - the Coulomb force. Protons don't like their electrons to go to far. If the electron escapes, i.e. chases after another proton or other positive charge, the proton left behind looks for another electron. Protons are not very particular - all electrons 'look' the same to a free proton. :biggrin:

If there were multiple positive charges in a plasma, those positive charges would repel one another until neutrality was obtain, really until a single + charge remained, and that + charge would be very attractive to a lone - charge.

The high temperature of the plasma are why the plasma has to be maintained in a magnetic field. The plasma is way too hot for any solid material.
 

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