A possible uncrossable boarder between bradyons and hypothetical tachyons

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The discussion centers on the relationship between bradyons (ordinary matter) and hypothetical tachyons, particularly the concept of an "uncrossable" barrier between their respective speeds. Participants explore the implications of relativistic physics on the behavior of these two classes of particles, including energy relationships and the nature of speed limits in the context of special relativity.

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  • One participant proposes a correlation between baryonic matter and tachyons, suggesting that both are constrained by a speed barrier, with bradyons approaching the speed of light and tachyons being unable to slow down to below that speed.
  • Another participant notes that tachyons are not part of mainstream particle physics and discusses the implications of their hypothetical nature, including the requirement for imaginary rest mass to maintain real energy values.
  • A question is raised about the possibility of bradyons or tachyons "jumping" over the speed of light barrier, seeking clarification on what prevents such an event from occurring.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of tachyons and their relationship to bradyons, with no consensus reached on the implications of their interactions or the feasibility of crossing the speed of light barrier.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the behavior of energy and speed in relation to bradyons and tachyons, as well as the mathematical formulations involved, which may not be fully resolved or agreed upon by participants.

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A possible "uncrossable" boarder between bradyons and hypothetical tachyons...

I would like to ask about a correlation between baryonic matter and hypothetical tachyons.
(For ordinary bradyonic matter, E increases with increasing velocity, becoming arbitrarily large as v approaches c, the speed of light.) Therefore, just as bradyons are forbidden to break the light-speed barrier, so too are tachyons forbidden from slowing down to below c, since to reach the barrier from either above or below requires infinite energy.
From this I assume that there is a barrier between the highest speed a bradyon can achieve(infinetly close to c) and the lowest speed a tachyon could achieve(?)...
the speed of a tachyon increases as its energy decreases") and ("the speed of a bradyon increases as its energy increases")
So from the above I could assume that for the bradyon: v~e, and for the tachyon v~1/e. I'm not great at maths or physics, but could someone help me equate the two. Or maybe it would be better to equate e=mc^2(bradyon) and e^(-1)=mc^2 ?(tachyon)...but now I think we would need complex numbers. :( Thanks for any help
Maybe it's just c that can't be achieved by anything other than light?
 
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Maybe the sub-forum is wrong. Could a mod move this topic into "Particle Physics"?
 


I think this is the right forum, since tachyons aren't part of any mainstream particle physics model, they are a hypothetical idea from relativity. It's assumed that for both bradyons and tachyons, the total energy is given by the formula [tex]E = \gamma mc^2[/tex] (which is another way of writing the relativistic equation [tex]E^2 = m^2 c^4 + p^2 c^2[/tex], where p is the relativistic momentum [tex]p = \gamma mv[/tex]...the formula E = mc^2 is only intended to apply in a particle's own rest frame, for particles which aren't at rest you need an expanded equation which includes the kinetic energy due to motion). However, since the relativistic gamma factor [tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}[/tex] becomes imaginary when v > c, it is assumed that in order for tachyons to have real-valued energy and momentum, their rest mass m must be imaginary (see this page). You can see that with this assumption, E in the equation [tex]E = \gamma mc^2 = \frac{mc^2}{\sqrt{1 - v^2/c^2}}[/tex] can be a real number (since imaginary * imaginary = real), and its value approaches infinity as v approaches c from above.
 
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Thanks for the reply. I wanted to ask. If bradyons can't achieve c, and tachyons can't achieve c. And only light can move at c, then is it possible for one of the two to ever "jump" over this barrier of c? What is stopping them from doing so? Thanks for any replies.
 

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