A question about DC motor (input power, output power)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the behavior of a DC motor when it is manually rotated to function as a generator. Participants explore the relationship between voltage and current readings in this context, particularly when the motor is not powered by an external source.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their setup with a voltmeter and ammeter, noting the readings when the motor is rotated in different directions and expressing confusion about current flowing against the voltage.
  • Another participant explains the difference between loads that consume power and sources that supply power, suggesting that the behavior of the motor and generator can be understood in terms of power flow direction.
  • A third participant introduces the idea that many DC motors use AC input and rectify it, proposing that the observed negative current readings may be due to a phase difference caused by the motor's internal construction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the behavior of the motor as a generator, with some focusing on the power flow direction and others introducing concepts related to AC input and phase differences. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these observations.

Contextual Notes

There are assumptions about the motor's internal construction and its behavior when functioning as a generator that are not fully explored. The discussion also does not clarify the specific conditions under which the readings were taken.

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I have a question. I set up a voltmeter and and ammeter (properly connected in parallel and in series respectively) so that when I input power into a motor in the form of DC current, both the voltmeter and the ammeter read positive values.

Then, I removed the voltage source (i.e. battery). Now what I don't understand is, if I manually rotate the motor in one direction, the motor (acting as a generator), I get a positive voltage reading and a negative current reading.
If I rotate the motor (generator) in the other direction, I get a negative voltage reading and a positive current reading.

I don't understand, how can current flow against the voltage established by the generator? Can someone please explain this phenomenon to me? Thanks.
 
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Well think about the difference between a load that consumes power (a resistor or a motor for example) versus one that supplies power (a battery or generator for example).

For the resistor the voltage drop is positive at the terminal that the current enters whereas with a (dischaging) battery the current leaves from the positive terminal. The motor behaves in the same way as the resistor in this regard (because it's absorbing power) whereas the generator behaves in much the same way as a battery. It's all about the direction of power flow.
 
Thanks for the fast and comprehensive response.
 
Most of the DC motors take AC as an input and then uses the DC by rectifying it.
And the negative sign you're taking about is because many of the DC motors have transformer type construction inside it.
And it causes 180 degree phase difference between the current and voltage that's why current shows opposite sign.
 

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