A somewhat conceptual question about Green's functions

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The discussion revolves around the application and understanding of Green's functions in solving differential equations, specifically focusing on the relationship between particular and homogeneous solutions, as well as boundary conditions. Participants explore the implications of using Green's functions for linear differential equations with homogeneous boundary conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes solving a differential equation using Green's functions and questions whether the resulting solution is the general solution or just a particular solution, given that the homogeneous solution coefficients were found to be zero.
  • Another participant asserts that if the differential equation is linear and the boundary conditions are homogeneous, the solution will be trivial, emphasizing that Green's functions address inhomogeneities.
  • There is a clarification that the differential equation in question is not homogeneous due to the presence of a non-zero right-hand side (sin(2x)), but it has homogeneous boundary conditions.
  • One participant suggests that the homogeneous solution is inherently included in the Green's function solution, leading to confusion about the distinction between homogeneous and particular solutions.
  • Another participant explains that the Green's function is designed to handle the particular solution while satisfying homogeneous boundary conditions, indicating that the distinction between homogeneous and particular solutions is somewhat arbitrary.
  • A later reply acknowledges the complexity of understanding Green's functions, suggesting that students often struggle with this concept.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between homogeneous and particular solutions when using Green's functions. While some assert that the Green's function inherently accounts for the boundary conditions, others question the implications of this on the nature of the solutions derived.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential confusion surrounding the application of Green's functions, particularly in distinguishing between homogeneous and particular solutions, as well as the role of boundary conditions in determining the nature of the solutions.

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I just did a problem for a final that required us to use a green's function to solve a diff eq. y'' +y/4 = sin(2x)

I went through and solved it and got a really nasty looking thing, but I checked it in wolfram and it works out. Now, my question is this:

After I got the solution from my greens functions, I went through and tried to add in what would be the homogeneous solution, Asin(x/2) + Bcos(x/2) and apply the boundary conditions again to solve for A and B. Both came out to be zero. Is this always the case? Is my integrand of G*f the general solution and not just the particular solution? Was this just a coincidence? I have a few more problems I need to do, most of which are green's functions, and this would be handy to know. If it is the general solution, does it have to do with the fact that I used the homogeneous solution to obtain my Green's solution? (I'm not sure what you want to call it)
Thanks
 
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BiGyElLoWhAt said:
After I got the solution from my greens functions, I went through and tried to add in what would be the homogeneous solution, Asin(x/2) + Bcos(x/2) and apply the boundary conditions again to solve for A and B. Both came out to be zero. Is this always the case?
If you have a homogeneous linear differential equation with homogeneous boundary conditions, then the solution is trivial. The point of the Green's function method is to take care of the inhomogeneities.
 
The diff eq wasn't homogeneous. It was equal to sin (2x). It was linear, and I had homogeneous boundary conditions, though. Y (0)=y (pi)=0
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
The diff eq wasn't homogeneous. It was equal to sin (2x). It was linear, and I had homogeneous boundary conditions, though. Y (0)=y (pi)=0
Yes, but you took care of the inhomogeneity with the Green's function. You cannot expect to add a homogeneous solution to this if you have homogeneous boundary conditions because your Green's function is set up to handle the homogeneous boundary conditions.
 
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So is it reasonable to say that I turned a homogeneous solution into a general one? As in the homogeneous is buried within the resultant solution? I've been struggling to get the grand scheme of the green's function and it's solution, so to speak.
 
BiGyElLoWhAt said:
So is it reasonable to say that I turned a homogeneous solution into a general one?
Not really. Rather, you found the solution satisfying the boundary conditions without ever having to worry about splitting it into a homogeneous and a particular part. That distinction is arbitrary anyway as there is not one particular solution, but all particular solutions are related in that their difference is a homogeneous solution.

Instead, you design your Green's function in such a way that it will let you help the particular solution that already satisfies homogeneous boundary conditions. If your problem has homogeneous boundary conditions, then you therefore never need to worry about finding a homogeneous solution.

I think it is a common thing among students to struggle with Green's function, yet you have likely been using them since high school for computing the electric/gravitational potential of a collection of point particles - just that you never called them Green's functions.
 
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Hmmm. Ok, I think I understand now. Thank you.
 

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