A A technical question about the Joule-Thomson Experiment

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Joule-Thomson coefficient from Kubo's textbook, specifically transitioning from equation (1) to equation (2). A participant expresses confusion over their calculations, which differ from the expected result. Clarifications reveal that the equation of state pV = RT(1+Bp) is incorrect, and the correct form includes higher-order terms. The conversation emphasizes the need to prove specific relationships and correctly manipulate the equations to arrive at the desired result. Ultimately, the participants confirm the validity of the final identity derived from the corrected equation.
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It's written in Kubo's textbook:

we obtain
$$(1) \ \ \ \ \ \bigg( \frac{\partial T}{\partial p} \bigg)_H = \bigg[ T (\frac{\partial V}{\partial T})_p - V \bigg] / C_p$$

When the equation of state ##pV = RT(1+Bp)##, eq (1) becomes

$$ (2) \ \ \ \ (\partial T / \partial p)_H = (TdB/dT-B)/C_p$$

I tried getting (2) from (1), but I get something different, I get:
##T\partial V / \partial T - V = TR/p+TRB+RT^2dB/dT-RT/p-RTB = RT^2dB/dT##, how to resolve this conundrum?

Thanks.
 
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Hi,

Your steps are correct.

It seems that you must prove ##RT=1-\frac {B} {T\frac{dB} {dT}}##.
 
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Seems so.
 
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MathematicalPhysicist said:
Seems so.

The equation pV=RT(1+Bp) is false.

The general equation is ##pV=RT+B(T)p+C(T)p^2+D(T)p^3+.##.
If you consider C,D,...=0, then you can end up to the following equation:
## \left( \frac {\partial T} {\partial p} \right)_H=\frac {\left( T\left( \frac {\partial V} {\partial T} \right)_p-V \right)} {C_p}=\frac {\left( T \frac {\partial \left(\frac {RT+Bp} {p} \right)_p} {\partial T}-\frac {RT+Bp} {p} \right)} {C_p} \Rightarrow##
##\left( \frac {\partial T} {\partial p} \right)_H = \frac { \left( \frac {RT} {p} +T \frac {dB} {dT} - \frac {RT}{p} - B\right)} {C_p}=\frac {T \frac {dB} {dT}-B} {C_p}##
 
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DoItForYourself said:
The equation pV=RT(1+Bp) is false.

The general equation is ##pV=RT+B(T)p+C(T)p^2+D(T)p^3+.##.
If you consider C,D,...=0, then you can end up to the following equation:
$$ \left( \frac {\partial T} {\partial p} \right)_H=\frac {T\frac {dB} {dT}-B} {C_p}$$
How do you get the last identity from ##pV = RT+B(T)p##?, I don't see it.
 
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How do you get the last identity from ##pV = RT+B(T)p##?, I don't see it.

I edited the post, so you can see the detailed process that I followed to reach the final result.
 
MathematicalPhysicist said:
It's written in Kubo's textbook:
I tried getting (2) from (1), but I get something different, I get:
##T\partial V / \partial T - V = TR/p+TRB+RT^2dB/dT-RT/p-RTB = RT^2dB/dT##, how to resolve this conundrum?

Thanks.
I confirm your result.
 
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