A weird velocity/acceleration question

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The problem involves kinematics, specifically analyzing the motion of an object described by the equation x = vt + ke^(bt). The original poster seeks to find the initial velocity and acceleration at a specific time, expressing uncertainty about their approach and the relevance of certain equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to determine initial velocity and acceleration using the given equation, expressing confusion about the application of the equation for constant acceleration. Some participants suggest taking derivatives to find velocity and acceleration, while questioning the use of the symbol v for both the constant and the derivative.

Discussion Status

The discussion has evolved with participants providing guidance on the differentiation approach to find velocity and acceleration. The original poster has acknowledged their misunderstanding and appears to be moving towards a clearer understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

There is an indication of confusion regarding the application of the constant acceleration equation and the interpretation of the variables involved, particularly the constant v in the context of derivatives.

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Homework Statement



This problem showed up in my final review packet, and I /think/ it should be basic kinematics, but I don't even know how to approach it with the second half of it.

An object moves according to the equation x = vt + ke^(bt), where k, v, and b are constants, x represents distance in meters, t represents time in seconds, and e is the base of the natural logarithms.

a. Find the initial velocity (at time t=0)
b. Find the acceleration at t = 1/b seconds.

Homework Equations


x = vt + .5at2

The Attempt at a Solution



a: I assumed inital velocity would just be v... but the answer key says it's supposed to be v + kb.

b: Since the equation given was similar to the format of x = vt + .5at2, I made the (questionable, I think) assumption that kebt = .5at2.

Plugging in t = 1/b,

.5a(1/b2) = keb/b

a = 2keb2

This one was closer to the actual answer of keb2, but still wrong and I'm very lost now.

I feel like I went in the completely wrong direction with this... any pointers?
 
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The relevant equation you identified is for a system with constant acceleration. Not applicable here. If you are given an expression for x(t), what to you normally do to get the expression for v(t)? For a(t)?
 
I think I'd take the derivative of x(t) for v(t), and the second derivative for a(t). But since v is already in the equation, does that still apply?
 
inaiki said:
I think I'd take the derivative of x(t) for v(t), and the second derivative for a(t). But since v is already in the equation, does that still apply?

I'd assume ##v## is supposed to be a constant here. As stated in the question, in fact. This means you are not going to be able to use the symbol ##v## for ##dx/dt##.
 
PeroK said:
I'd assume ##v## is supposed to be a constant here. As stated in the question, in fact. This means you are not going to be able to use the symbol ##v## for ##dx/dt##.

...Oh. I feel stupid now.

a. velocity = dx/dt = v + kbebt
when t=0,
dx/dt = v + kb

b. acceleration = dv/dt = kb2ebt
when t = 1/b,
dv/dt = kb2e

Thank you!
 

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