AA6061 Percipitation Chart: Hardness Over Time

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The discussion centers around the hardness of AA6061 aluminum alloy over time as it undergoes precipitation hardening. Participants explore the terminology related to aging diagrams and the phenomenon of over-aging, which may lead to a decrease in hardness after reaching a maximum level. The conversation includes inquiries about the mechanisms behind these changes in hardness and the implications of precipitate growth.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the use of the term "precipitation graph" and seeks clarification on the hardness changes of AA6061 over time.
  • Another participant suggests that the correct term may be "aging diagram" and explains that softening is related to the coarsening of precipitates due to over-aging.
  • Several participants express curiosity about why hardness decreases after reaching a maximum, with one noting that it seems counterintuitive for hardness not to remain stable after peak levels are achieved.
  • A participant provides a detailed description of the precipitation sequence in Al-Mg-Si alloys, discussing the formation of clusters and the transition from needles to rods, which correlates with maximum hardness.
  • There is a metaphorical comparison made between the aging of materials and human aging, suggesting a parallel in strength and performance over time.
  • One participant mentions the importance of finding the re-crystallization temperature in relation to the aging process.

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Participants express curiosity and propose various hypotheses regarding the aging process and hardness changes, but there is no consensus on the mechanisms or terminology used. Multiple competing views remain regarding the nature of over-aging and its effects on hardness.

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Some statements reflect ongoing debates about the mechanisms of aging and hardness in aluminum alloys, with references to specific stages of precipitate formation and their impact on material properties. There are also references to external resources that may provide additional context.

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I'm not sure if Percipitation graph is the correct terminology for this. But I know there are charts which can show a materials hardness after percipitating over time, then once it percipitates longer than a certain amount of time, it will lose its hardness. I'm specifically looking for AA6061...

Thanks. Kevin.
 
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I think you are referring to an aging diagram, and the softening, which is related to the coarsening of precipitates, is due to 'over-aging'.

These might be of interest -

Impact of pre-aging on the tensile and bending properties of AA 6061

http://doc.tms.org/ezMerchant/prodt...10-3119/$FILE/MMTA-0610-3119F.pdf?OpenElement Check in the University library for METALLURGICAL AND MATERIALS TRANSACTIONS A.

See also - Accelerated Methods for Characterization of Aging Response



http://mme.iitm.ac.in/kpr/h206061.htm
 
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I'm curious how over aging a material though softens it... you would think instead it would just reach its max hardness, and stay at it no matter how long it was aged for...

(you don't need to have all those links to answer this question, I know that takes a lot of time to do)
 
for example, here is graph of percipiting.. I'm wondering why you lose hardness after the max is reached, and why it doesn't just stay at its peak.

http://www.hmi.de/bereiche/SF/SF3/materials/light_weight_materials/age_hardenable_aluminium_alloys/fig4.jpg
 
snowJT said:
I'm curious how over aging a material though softens it... you would think instead it would just reach its max hardness, and stay at it no matter how long it was aged for...
See below.

(you don't need to have all those links to answer this question, I know that takes a lot of time to do)
Not a problem. I find it useful for myself to collect relevant links and put them in one place - PF. :biggrin: Besides, I hope PFers find them useful.


refering to the page - http://www.hmi.de/bereiche/SF/SF3/materials/light_weight_materials/age_hardenable_aluminium_alloys/index_en.html
5. Results

the precipitation sequence of Al-Mg-Si alloys (so called 6000 system)

Age-hardening first produces clusters of a few nm size which are an enrichment of the base material with its alloying elements Mg and Si essentially. Controversy about this stage still persists and research is to be done. Furtheron so called Guinier-Preston zones (G. P.) appear. They are longitudinally shaped and a few lattice constants wide. Growing they transform to needles (ß") and rods of up to hundreds nanometers length (ß’). Equilibrium stage at the end of precipitate growth (not always reached) is the platelet shaped Mg2Si (ß) phase. All over the precipitation sequence the Mg content of the clusters, zones and particles is increasing monotonically. Maximum hardness is reached when the transition from needles to rods happens (ß" -> ß’), afterwards hardness decreases due to over-aging.
It is unfortunate that this paragraph simply ends with such a simple statement "afterwards hardness decreases due to over-aging" without elaborating why that is.

Think about the aging process - "Age-hardening first produces clusters of a few nm size which are an enrichment of the base material with its alloying elements Mg and Si" - in relationship to the composition in (Al-Mg-Si). For maximum and uniform hardness, one would want the Mg-Si clusters (intermetallic compound) small and evenly/uniformly dispersed. As the aging process continues, the clusters can grow - BUT that means that the base material becomes depleted in the Mg and Si, so what is left is an area/volume with more of the softer Al.
 
I guess you can think of it as being compared to us. We start off young.. we grow... our strength naturally will increase as we get older... once we reach a certain age range, we are at our peaks... then we keep getting older, and we get weaker.. lol
 
snowJT said:
I guess you can think of it as being compared to us. We start off young.. we grow... our strength naturally will increase as we get older... once we reach a certain age range, we are at our peaks... then we keep getting older, and we get weaker.. lol
Yeah, and I think I've already passed my half-life. Fortunately, it's all down hill from now on. :smile: :smile:
 
you just have to find your re crystalization temperature
 

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