About the efficiency of engines

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency of combustion engines compared to electric engines, particularly in the context of using a hypothetical material called Starlite, which is claimed to withstand extremely high temperatures. Participants explore the implications of using such a material in engine construction and its potential effects on efficiency and heat dissipation.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested
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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if an entire car were made of Starlite, the efficiency of the combustion engine might approach that of electric engines, which are theorized to be nearly 100% efficient.
  • Others argue that the term "resistant to" does not equate to a defined melting point, and there is insufficient knowledge about Starlite to determine its suitability for engine components.
  • One participant suggests that if Starlite could minimize heat loss in a turbine, it might improve efficiency, but acknowledges uncertainty about the material's properties and their implications.
  • Another participant questions whether a cooling system made of Starlite would hinder engine performance by preventing necessary heat dissipation.
  • There is a discussion about the lack of reverse engineering efforts to uncover the composition of Starlite, attributed to the inventor's secrecy regarding the material.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the feasibility of insulating an engine to improve performance, suggesting that heat dissipation is essential for engine operation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the implications of using Starlite in engine design, with multiple competing views on its potential benefits and drawbacks remaining unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the unclear properties of Starlite, the lack of experimental data regarding its use in engines, and the unresolved nature of the discussion about heat dissipation requirements in engine efficiency.

José Ricardo
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if we had an entire car made of Starlite (a material that was created resistant to 18032 °F). Would the efficiency of the combustion engine be close to that of the electric and that of the electric would be almost 100% efficient?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlite
 
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"Resistant to" 10000°C is not the same as stating a melting point.
There is not enough known about "Starlite" to determine if it would be an appropriate material to use in forming an engine block or turbine blades.
 
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I thought the following: When a turbine produces work, there is the heat loss, soon it spends more than produce (30% of efficiency). I thought if the pistons and all the surroundings were made of starlite, then there would be a tiny perch of heat, I just don't know if I'm correct. I think I am, and from what I understand by your comment, there is no way to know, correct?
 
José Ricardo said:
I think I am, and from what I understand by your comment, there is no way to know, correct?
The inventor died apparently without passing on what this material actually was. There some public demonstrations - but hardly the type of experiments that you would need to do before building an engine with it.

As far as creating a "perch of heat" engines work in response to a difference in heat. If you can force more of the heat flow to occur within the engine rather than being wasted, that would be an improvement. I'm not sure about a turbine engine, but with an internal combustion engine, much of the work heat is dissipated through the body of the engine. So blocking it would kill the whole process.
 
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Now I'm back, Scott. Sorry for haven't responded you, I was blocked by 2 weeks because of linguistic problems.
So, you are saying if a cooling system were made of starlite, would that cooling system "kill" the car? And then we wouldn't have the better use of dissipated energy? And why someone didn't do a reverse engineering to discover what that material was made from?
 
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So, you are saying if a cooling system were made of starlite, would that cooling system "kill" the car? And then we wouldn't have the better use of dissipated energy?
Yes. Dissipation of the heat (releasing it into the air) is both a practical and theoretical requirement. Insulating an engine cannot, even in principle, make it perform substantially better.
And why someone didn't do a reverse engineering to discover what that material was made from?
Evidently he never let anyone have a sample. Perhaps his family knows. Coincidentally, there is an active thread on this topic:
https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/a-cautionary-tale-on-inventing-from-the-bbc.956762/
 
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I'll take a look in this topic. Thanks, Russ!
 

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