Absolute Convergence: Proving $\sum a_n$ is Convergent

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The discussion revolves around proving the absolute convergence of the series $\sum a_n$ under the condition that $\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|\le\left|\frac{b_{n+1}}{b_n}\right|$ for sufficiently large $n$, given that $\sum b_n$ is absolutely convergent. The focus includes mathematical reasoning and the application of the comparison test.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the condition $\left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|\le\left|\frac{b_{n+1}}{b_n}\right|$ implies that $\sum a_n$ is absolutely convergent if $\sum b_n$ is absolutely convergent, referencing the comparison test.
  • One participant presents an inductive argument to support the claim, suggesting that if $|a_n|
  • Another participant suggests that the constant $c$ can be more accurately defined as $\frac{a_k}{b_k}$ for some natural $k$, prompting clarification on this point.
  • Further elaboration is provided on how to derive the inequality $a_n\le\frac{a_k}{b_k}b_n$ from the established ratios, indicating a method to relate the terms of the two series.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the comparison test but engage in a debate regarding the specifics of the proof and the definition of the constant $c$. The discussion remains unresolved as participants clarify and refine their arguments without reaching a consensus.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of the sequences $a_n$ and $b_n$ as $n$ approaches infinity are not explicitly stated, and the discussion relies on the definitions of absolute convergence and the comparison test without resolving potential ambiguities in their application.

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Prove that if $\displaystyle \left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|\le\left|\frac{b_{n+1}}{b_n}\right|$ for $\displaystyle n\gg 1$, and $\displaystyle\sum b_n$ is absolutely convergent, then $\displaystyle\sum a_n$ is absolutely convergent.
 
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Alexmahone said:
Prove that if $\displaystyle \left|\frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\right|\le\left|\frac{b_{n+1}}{b_n}\right|$ for $\displaystyle n\gg 1$, and $\displaystyle\sum b_n$ is absolutely convergent, then $\displaystyle\sum a_n$ is absolutely convergent.

Isn't this obvious from the comparison test?
 
Prove It said:
Isn't this obvious from the comparison test?

My attempt:

Pick a $\displaystyle c$ large enough so that $\displaystyle|a_1|<c|b_1|$.

Assume that $\displaystyle|a_n|<c|b_n|$ for some $n$.

$\displaystyle|a_{n+1}|\le|a_n|\left|\frac{b_{n+1}}{b_n}\right|=\left|\frac{a_n}{b_n}\right||b_{n+1}|<c|b_{n+1}|$

So, by induction, $\displaystyle|a_n|<c|b_n|$ for all $n$.

Since $\displaystyle\sum c|b_n|$ converges, $\displaystyle\sum|a_n|$ also converges by the comparison test.

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Does that look ok?
 
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Alexmahone said:
My attempt:

Pick a $\displaystyle c$ large enough so that $\displaystyle|a_1|<c|b_1|$.

Assume that $\displaystyle|a_n|<c|b_n|$ for some $n$.

$\displaystyle|a_{n+1}|\le|a_n|\left|\frac{b_{n+1}}{b_n}\right|=\left|\frac{a_n}{b_n}\right||b_{n+1}|<c|b_{n+1}|$

So, by induction, $\displaystyle|a_n|<c|b_n|$ for all $n$.

Since $\displaystyle\sum c|b_n|$ converges, $\displaystyle\sum|a_n|$ also converges by the comparison test.

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Does that look ok?

Yes. And if to be more accurate your $c$ is $\frac{a_k}{b_k}$ for some natural $k$.
 
Also sprach Zarathustra said:
And if to be more accurate your $c$ is $\frac{a_k}{b_k}$ for some natural $k$.

What do you mean?
 
Alexmahone said:
What do you mean?

Say that, for some n \geq k, the followinf true:

$$ \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n}\le\frac{b_{n+1}}{b_n} $$

We'll write:

$$ \frac{a_{k+1}}{a_k}\le\frac{b_{k+1}}{b_k} $$

$$ \frac{a_{k+2}}{a_{k+1}}\le\frac{b_{k+2}}{b_{k+1}} $$

$$ \frac{a_{k+3}}{a_{k+2}}\le\frac{b_{k+3}}{b_{k+2}} $$

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$$ \frac{a_{n}}{a_{n-1}}\le\frac{b_{n}}{b_{n-1}} $$Now, if we multiply these inqualities, we'll get:

$$ \frac{a_n}{a_k}\le\frac{b_n}{b_k} $$

or:

$$a_n\le\frac{a_k}{b_k}b_n$$
 

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