Accelerating charged particles and FOR

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An electron stationary on Earth does not emit electromagnetic (EM) radiation, but an observer in space, who sees the electron as accelerating due to Earth's motion, may perceive emitted photons. The discussion highlights that photon number is not conserved across different reference frames, allowing for discrepancies in observed photon emissions. The emission of light by accelerating charged particles is linked to changes in their electric field, which can create kinks that generate radiation. While the mechanics of this process are complex, resources like applets and the Larmor formula can provide further insights. Overall, the conversation explores the nuances of EM radiation emission in varying reference frames.
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if, say, an electron is stationary on Earth (ignore the probability or possibility of this for now). it, of course, is not emitting any EM radiation. However, an observer in space (stationary with reference to the sun) is looking at the electron. relative to them, the electron is accelerating (circular motion around the earth). is any EM radiation emitted? where have i gone wrong here?
 
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raymes_k said:
if, say, an electron is stationary on Earth (ignore the probability or possibility of this for now). it, of course, is not emitting any EM radiation. However, an observer in space (stationary with reference to the sun) is looking at the electron. relative to them, the electron is accelerating (circular motion around the earth). is any EM radiation emitted? where have i gone wrong here?

I don't think you've gone wrong at all. As I understand it, photon number is not conserved in arbitrary coordinate transformations, so it's normal to see a different number of photons in accelerated and non-accelerated coordinate systems, including cases where one sees zero number of photons and the other sees non-zero numbers of photons.
 
so basically it is possible for the external observer to see photons being emitted. but then there's the question of whether these photons can be used for any constructive purpose. is this violating conservation of energy principles?
 
Why do charged particles emit light when accelerated anyways??
 
ArmoSkater87 said:
Why do charged particles emit light when accelerated anyways??

There are various applets that show what the electric field lines of an accelerating charge looks like. For instance

http://webphysics.davidson.edu/Applets/Retard/Retard_FEL.html

It's fairly easy to see from these that the electric field lines of an accelerating charge get "kinked".

The example in the above URL where you suddenly stop a moving charge exhibits this "kinking" process especially well.

The argument that the kink represents the emission of radiation is harder to follow,IMO, though it is easy to see that such a kink represents a rapidly changing electric field and hence generates a magnetic field. It's probable I'm missing some simple explanation.

The detailed explanation is given by the Lamor formula for an accelerating charge, for instance

http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/~rfitzp/teaching/jk1/lectures/node31.html
 
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Awsome sites, thanks a lot. :)
 
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