Acceleration of a point on square

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The discussion revolves around the acceleration of a point on a square, involving the dynamics of a system with rods and their angular motion. The original poster presents a series of equations related to the motion of the square and its components, seeking clarification on the correctness of their approach and how to eliminate a specific variable.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive relationships between the accelerations and angular motion of the rods, questioning the validity of their equations and seeking ways to eliminate the angular acceleration variable. Other participants engage by suggesting alternative expressions and discussing the implications of velocity terms in the equations.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively exploring different expressions for the acceleration and angular acceleration, with some guidance provided on substituting values at a specific time. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach, but the discussion is progressing with various interpretations being considered.

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There are indications of missing information regarding the values of sine and cosine at a specific time, which may affect the discussion. The original poster's equations and assumptions are under scrutiny, and the participants are navigating through these constraints.

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The origin is placed to the right of point P and left is taken to be the positive direction.Let us call mass of each rod as M and the angle which rods make with the horizontal as θ .

Coordinates of A = (##x_P+\frac{L}{2}cosθ,\frac{L}{2}sinθ## )

Coordinates of B = (##x_P+\frac{3L}{2}cosθ,\frac{L}{2}sinθ## )

Coordinates of C = (##x_P+\frac{3L}{2}cosθ,-\frac{L}{2}sinθ##)

Coordinates of D = (##x_P+\frac{L}{2}cosθ,-\frac{L}{2}sinθ## )Now writing some constraint equations ,

##x_q = x_p + 2Lcosθ##

##v_q = v_p -2L(sinθ\dot{θ})##

##a_q = a_p -2L(cosθ\dot{θ}^2+sinθ\ddot{θ})##

##a_{cm} = \frac{1}{2}(a_p+a_q)##

The force applied on the square F= 4Macm . This force produces displacement of P ,xP in a very short time interval 't' . ##x_P = \frac{1}{2}a_Pt^2##

Work done on the square =FxP .

Now we will calculate the velocities of the CM of the rods .

##v_{A,x} = v_{P,x} - \frac{L}{2}sinθ\dot{θ}##
##v_{A,y} = \frac{L}{2}cosθ\dot{θ}##
##v_{B,x} = v_{P,x} - \frac{3L}{2}sinθ\dot{θ}##
##v_{B,y} = \frac{L}{2}cosθ\dot{θ}##

Similarly we can write speeds of the two bottom rods .

Magnitude of vertical component of velocity of CM of all four rods would be equal . Magnitude of horizontal component of velocity of CM of two right side rods would be equal whereas that of two left side rods would be equal.Angular speeds of all four rods would be same .

Now applying Work Energy theorem ,

$$4M\frac{1}{2}(a_p+a_q)(x_P) = 2(\frac{1}{2}M){(v_{P,x}- \frac{L}{2}sinθ\dot{θ})}^2+2(\frac{1}{2}M){(v_{P,x}- \frac{3L}{2}sinθ\dot{θ})}^2 + 4(\frac{1}{2}M){(\frac{L}{2}cosθ\dot{θ})}^2 + 4\frac{1}{2}(\frac{ML^2}{12})\dot{θ}^2$$

In the above expression we can put ##x_P = \frac{1}{2}a_Pt^2## , ##\dot{θ} = \ddot{θ}t ## and ##v_{P,x} = a_Pt##.

$$4M\frac{1}{4}(a_p+a_q)(a_Pt^2) = 2(\frac{1}{2}M){(a_Pt- \frac{L}{2}sinθ(\ddot{θ}t))}^2+2(\frac{1}{2}M){(a_Pt- \frac{3L}{2}sinθ(\ddot{θ}t))}^2 + 4(\frac{1}{2}M){(\frac{L}{2}cosθ(\ddot{θ}t))}^2 + 4\frac{1}{2}(\frac{ML^2}{12})(\ddot{θ}t)^2$$

Is it correct till here ? If yes, how do I eliminate ##\ddot{θ}## ?

I would be grateful if someone could help me with the problem .
 

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aq can be also expressed by ##\ddot \theta##. Solve for ##\ddot \theta##, and determine aq with it.
 
Is there another expression between aq and ##\ddot \theta## besides ##a_q = a_p -2L(cosθ\dot{θ}^2+sinθ\ddot{θ})## which I mentioned in the OP?
 
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Tanya Sharma said:
Is there another expression between aq and ##\ddot \theta## besides ##a_q = a_p -2L(cosθ\dot{θ}^2+sinθ\ddot{θ})## which I mentioned in the OP?

It is enough.
The velocity terms vanish. You can substitute sinθ and cosθ with their valus at t=0.
 
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Thank you very much :oldsmile: .
 
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