Activity Definition: Is T Temp of Current State?

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The discussion centers on the definition of chemical activity and its relationship to temperature in the context of chemical potential. The equation for chemical potential, μi = μi0 + RT·ln ai, is examined, particularly whether the temperatures of the current state and standard state can differ. It is established that they can differ, although this is not explicitly mentioned in standard definitions. When temperatures differ, the standard equation does not hold, leading to a more complex relationship involving integrals of temperature and activity.The conversation highlights that the total differential of chemical potential must account for changes in temperature and pressure, resulting in a more intricate expression than simply dμi = RT·dln ai. The participants clarify that the chemical activity can be defined at arbitrary temperatures and pressures, and the corrections for changes in these variables are significant. The discussion concludes with the assertion that activity is typically defined for the same temperature and pressure as the standard state, emphasizing the need for careful consideration of these factors in thermodynamic equations.
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The definition of activity is:
$$\mu _{i}=\mu _{i}^{0}+RT\cdot \ln a_{i}$$
where μi is the chemical potential of i in current state and μi0 is the chemical potential of i in standard state.
The current and standard state have the same temperature or can their temperature differ?
If their temperature can differ, than T in the definition equation is the temperature of current state?
 
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##T## is the current temperature. Lemma is pretty clear about that !
 
BvU said:
##T## is the current temperature. Lemma is pretty clear about that !
But I'm asking if the temperature of current state and standard state can differ. Probably yes but it is not mentioned within the definition on wikipedia.
 
Yes they certainly can.
 
In such a case this definition is not equivalent to the definition of activity:
$$d\mu _{i}=RT\cdot d\ln a_{i}$$ $$a_{i}^{0}=1$$
because when integrating with changing temperature, I generally do not obtain this equation:
$$\mu _{i}-\mu _{i}^{0}=RT\cdot \ln a_{i}$$
 
What do you obtain ?
 
In that case I have an integral:

$$\mu _{i}-\mu _{i}^{0}=R\cdot \int_{a_{i}^{0}}^{a_{i}} T(a_{i})\cdot d\ln a_{i}$$
 
I don't recognize $$ d\mu _{i}=RT\cdot d\ln a_{i}$$ as a definition. ##a## is not an independent variable, so ##T(a)## seems weird.

The expression is kind of a tautology when I substitute the definition : ##\ d\mu _{i} = d(\mu _{i} - \mu _{i}^\ominus)##

Check here under activity and activity coefficients

Alternatively we can consult @Chestermiller who might well have a didactically more responsible answer
 
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BvU said:
dμi=d(μi−μ⊖i)
That is not true. It that case μi should be always zero.
 
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No. It is a constant. So the ## \ d(\mu _{i}^\ominus) = 0 ##.
 
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BvU said:
No. It is a constant. So the ## \ d(\mu _{i}^\ominus) = 0 ##.
Now I don't know what you wanted to show, but i is the infinitesimal change of chemical potential of i during the infinitesimal process (eg. addition of dni).
 
  • #12
And here's me thinking $$ \mu_i = \left ( \partial G\over \partial N_i \right )_{T,P,N_{j\ne i}}$$ (fortunately some others seem to think so too).

ussername said:
I don't know what you wanted to show
What I showed is that ##d\mu_i = d\left ( RT\ln a_i \right ) \ ## boils down to ##d\mu_i = d\mu_i \ ## if you insert ##\ a_i = e^{\mu_i-\mu^\ominus_i\over RT}\ ##, not very surprising and not very interesting.

If you define $$a_i \equiv e^{\mu_i-\mu^\ominus_i\over RT}$$ then trivially and without integrating, just taking logarithms: $$\mu_i=\mu^\ominus_i+ RT\ln a_i $$ And we could have ended this thread after post #2.
 
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What I wanted to say:
if we take the definition:
$$\mu_i=\mu^\ominus_i+ RT\ln a_i $$
for arbitrary ##T,T^\ominus##, than this is not valid:

$$d\mu_i = d\left ( RT\ln a_i \right ) $$
 
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Why not ?
 
  • #15
Sorry I meant:
$$d\mu_i = RT\cdot d\ln a_i $$
 
  • #16
Is wrong. T is not a constant like R
 
  • #17
Yes the total differential should be probably:
$$d\mu _{i}(dT,dp,dx_{1},...,dx_{N})=RT\cdot d\ln a_{i}(dp,dx_{1},...,dx_{N})+R\cdot \ln a_{i}\cdot dT$$
 
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ussername said:
Yes the total differential should be probably:
$$d\mu _{i}(dT,dp,dx_{1},...,dx_{N})=RT\cdot d\ln a_{i}(dp,dx_{1},...,dx_{N})+R\cdot \ln a_{i}\cdot dT$$
Differentials aren't functions of differentials!
 
  • #19
For fixed concentrations ##d \mu_i=-s_i dT +v_i dP## where ##s_i## and ##v_i## are molar entropy and volume, respectively.
A similar equation holds for the standard chemical potential.
##d \mu^\ominus_i=-s^\ominus_i dT +v^\ominus_i dP##, with the standard molar entropy and volume.
So if you change T, you get
##\mu(T)=\mu^\ominus(T) +RT_0 \ln a_i(T_0) -(\int_{T_0}^T (s_i(T')-s^\ominus(T')) dT')= \mu^\ominus(T) +RT \ln a_i(T)## which you may easily solve for ##a_i(T)##.
 
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Also the change of chemical potential with temperature resp. pressure is:
$$\left( \frac{\partial \mu_i}{\partial T} \right)_{p,\vec{n}} = - \overline{S}_i$$ $$\left( \frac{\partial \mu_i}{\partial p} \right)_{T,\vec{n}} = \overline{V}_i$$
DrDu said:
##\mu(T)=\mu^\ominus(T) +RT_0 \ln a_i(T_0) -(\int_{T_0}^T (s_i(T')-s^\ominus(T')) dT')= \mu^\ominus(T) +RT \ln a_i(T)##

Also the chemical activity can be defined for current state and standard state with arbitrary temperature and pressure:
$$\mu_i(T,p) \equiv \mu_i^0(T^0,p^0) + RT \cdot \ln \left( a_i(T,p,T^0,p^0) \right) $$

And the correction of chemical activity with changing temperature and pressure of current resp. standard state is:
$$RT' \cdot \ln \left( a_i(T',p',T_{std}',p_{std}') \right) = RT \cdot \ln \left( a_i(T,p,T_{std},p_{std}) \right) - \int_{T}^{T'} \overline{S}_i\, dT + \int_{T_{std}}^{T_{std}'} \overline{S}_{std,i} \, dT + \int_{p}^{p'} \overline{V}_i\, dp - \int_{p_{std}}^{p_{std}'} \overline{V}_{std,i}\, dp$$
 
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ussername said:
Also the chemical activity can be defined for current state and standard state with arbitrary temperature and pressure:
$$\mu_i(T,p) \equiv \mu_i^0(T^0,p^0) + RT \cdot \ln \left( a_i(T,p,T^0,p^0) \right) $$
I think the activity is always defined for the same temperature and pressure as the corresponding standard state. So I won't assume a to depend on two temperatures and pressures.
And the correction of chemical activity with changing temperature and pressure of current resp. standard state is:
Take in mind that the two integrals over T and p aren't independent. Rather it is a line integral over both variables. Only for a special path, like ##(p_0, T_0) \to (p_0, T'_0) \to (p'_0, T'_0)## can this integral be written as two consecutive integrals over T (at fixed ##p_0##) and p (at fixed ##T'_0##).
 
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