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The discussion centers on Theorem 1.2.7 from Ethan D. Bloch's "The Real Numbers and Real Analysis," specifically regarding the proof that the set \( G \) is a subset of the natural numbers \( \mathbb{N} \). Participants clarify that the definition of \( G \) inherently includes elements from \( \mathbb{N} \), thus establishing \( G \subseteq \mathbb{N} \). They also address concerns about the possibility of \( G \) being empty, confirming that the empty set is still a subset of any set, including \( \mathbb{N} \).

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I am reading Ethan D. Bloch's book: The Real Numbers and Real Analysis ...

I am currently focused on Chapter 1: Construction of the Real Numbers ...

I need help/clarification with an aspect of Theorem 1.2.7 (1) ...

Theorem 1.2.7 reads as follows:
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In the above proof of (1) we read the following:" We will show that $$G = \mathbb{N}$$, which will imply the desired result. Clearly $$G \subseteq \mathbb{N}$$. ... ... ... "Before he proves that $$1 \in G$$, Bloch asserts that $$G \subseteq \mathbb{N}$$ ... what is his reasoning ...?

It does not appear to me ... from the order in which he says things that he is saying

$$1 \in G$$ ... therefore $$G \subseteq \mathbb{N}$$ ...

Can we immediately conclude that $$G \subseteq \mathbb{N}$$ without relying on $$1 \in G $$... ... ?Hope someone can help ... ...

Peter
 
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Peter said:
In the above proof of (1) we read the following:" We will show that $$G = \mathbb{N}$$, which will imply the desired result. Clearly $$G \subseteq \mathbb{N}$$. ... ... ... "Before he proves that $$1 \in G$$, Bloch asserts that $$G \subseteq \mathbb{N}$$ ... what is his reasoning ...?
The definition of $G$ is of the form $G = \{z\in \Bbb{N} \mid \ldots \}$. This says that each element $z$ of $G$ is an element of $\Bbb{N}$, in other words $G\subseteq\Bbb{N}$.
 
Opalg said:
The definition of $G$ is of the form $G = \{z\in \Bbb{N} \mid \ldots \}$. This says that each element $z$ of $G$ is an element of $\Bbb{N}$, in other words $G\subseteq\Bbb{N}$.
Thanks Opalg ... appreciate the help ...

But ... what if no z satisfy the criteria for membership of G ... and G = $$\emptyset$$ ... ?Peter
 
Peter said:
Thanks Opalg ... appreciate the help ...

But ... what if no z satisfy the criteria for membership of G ... and G = $$\emptyset$$ ... ?Peter
That's not a problem. The empty set is a subset of every set. So even if $G = \emptyset$, it's still true that $G\subseteq \Bbb{N}$.
 
Opalg said:
That's not a problem. The empty set is a subset of every set. So even if $G = \emptyset$, it's still true that $G\subseteq \Bbb{N}$.
Thanks again Opalg ...

That certainly resolves that issue ...

Peter
 

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