Adiabatic equation in dependence on volume and pressure

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The discussion revolves around finding the equation of state and the adiabatic equation in dependence on volume and pressure, given an expression for internal energy. The subject area includes thermodynamics, specifically focusing on the relationships between pressure, volume, temperature, and entropy in adiabatic processes.

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  • Participants explore the derivation of temperature and pressure equations from internal energy and question the correctness of the original poster's equations. There are attempts to clarify the relationship between entropy and the variables involved in the adiabatic process.

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Some participants have provided corrections and alternative approaches to the equations presented, particularly regarding the expressions for temperature and heat capacities. There is ongoing exploration of how entropy behaves along an adiabatic path, and multiple interpretations of the adiabatic equation are being discussed.

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Find: (a) Equation of state $$f (p, V, T)$$ and (b) Adiabatic equation in dependence on volume and pressure. Internal energy $$U(V, S)=\frac{1}{aV} ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})$$ where a and ##\gamma## are positive constants.

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(a) ##dU=TdS-pdV \rightarrow##
##T=(\frac{dU}{dS})_V##
##p=-(\frac{dU}{dV})_{S}##

##T=(\frac{d}{dS})_V \cdot \frac{1}{aV} ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})=\frac{1}{aV} \cdot \frac{\gamma}{S} \cdot \frac{1}{\gamma}=\frac{1}{a \gamma V} ##
##p=-(\frac{d}{dV})_S \frac{1}{aV} ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})=- \frac{1}{a} \cdot (- \frac{1}{V^2}) \cdot ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})=\frac{1}{aV^2} ln(\frac{S}{\gamma}) ##

(b) ##pV^{\gamma}=NkT##

##\gamma=?##
##\gamma=\frac{C_p}{C_V}##
##C_p=(\frac{dU}{dT})_p##
##C_V=(\frac{dU}{dT})_V##

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(b) ##C_p=(\frac{d}{dT})_p \frac{1}{aV} ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})##

##T=\frac{1}{a \gamma V} \rightarrow T \gamma=\frac{1}{a V}##
##C_p=(\frac{d}{dT})_p T \gamma ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})##
##p=\frac{1}{aV^2} ln(\frac{S}{\gamma}) \rightarrow paV^2=ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})##
##C_p=(\frac{d}{dT})_p T \gamma paV^2=\gamma paV^2##

##C_V=(\frac{d}{dT})_V \frac{1}{aV} ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})##
##C_V=(\frac{d}{dT})_V T \gamma ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})##
##C_V=(\frac{d}{dT})_V T \gamma paV^2=\gamma paV^2##

##\gamma=\frac{C_p}{C_V}= \frac{\gamma paV^2}{\gamma paV^2}=1##

I need help with (b) part of the problem. I know this is not correct and I assume I did something wrong while substituting, but I have no idea what. If you know something please post.
Thanks.
 
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You need help on part a also. Your equation for T is incorrect. After you get that corrected, you will need to elimate S between the equations for S and T.

In part b, your equation for Cp is incorrect.

Chet
 
With regard to part b: how does S vary along an adiabatic reversible path?
 
Regarding a mistake with (a) ##T=\frac{1}{aV} \cdot \frac{\gamma}{S} \cdot \frac{1}{\gamma}=\frac{1}{aSV}##
Thank you for noticing.
This leads to: ##C_V=(\frac{d}{dT})_V TSpaV^2=SpaV^2##

(b) The right formula: ##C_V=(\frac{dH}{dT})_p##

##H=U+pV=U+U=2U##
##C_p=(\frac{d}{dT})_p (2U)=2 \cdot C_V=2SpaV^2##

##\gamma=\frac{C_p}{C_V}=\frac{2SpaV^2}{SpaV^2}=2##

So, adiabatic equation is: ##pV^2=NkT##

(Answer to your question: Entropy is constant.)

Thank you very much for your answer. It's been really helpful.
 
For part a,

$$S=γe^{aV^2p}=\frac{1}{aVT}$$

This is the p-V-T relationship they were looking for.

For part b,
From your final equation for p, you could have immediately seen that pV2 is constant if S is constant along a reversible adiabat. I'm not so sure about the NkT part, however. I don't think that that is correct.

Chet
 
I see. I could have stated that: ##pV^2=const##
and then from the pressure equation: ## const=\frac{1}{a}ln(\frac{S}{\gamma})##
Then I substitute variables in constant in order to get a dependence on T:
##pV^2=\frac{1}{a}ln(\frac{S}{\gamma}) \rightarrow apV^2=ln(\frac{S}{\gamma}) \rightarrow e^{apV^{\gamma}}=\frac{S}{\gamma} ##
## \rightarrow \gamma e^{ap V^{\gamma}}=S ##

and: ##T=\frac{1}{aSV} \rightarrow S=\frac{1}{aTV} ##

which leads to: ##\gamma e^{apV^{\gamma}}= \frac{1}{aTV} \rightarrow e^{apV^{\gamma}}= \frac{1}{a \gamma TV} \rightarrow apV^\gamma ##
## = ln(\frac{1}{a \gamma TV}) \rightarrow pV^{\gamma}= \frac{1}{a}ln(\frac{1}{a \gamma TV}) ##

Solution: ## pV^2= \frac{1}{a}ln(\frac{1}{2aTV}) ##

Thank you one more time.
 
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