Advanced Theoretical Physics: a book on SR & GR for Undergrad Students?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the suitability of the book "Advanced Theoretical Physics" by Nick Lucid for undergraduate students, particularly regarding its coverage of Special Relativity (SR) and General Relativity (GR). Participants explore the depth and accessibility of the material presented in the book, as well as alternative resources for learning these concepts.

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express concern that Lucid's book may be too terse for those without prior exposure to SR and GR, suggesting it might be better suited for review rather than initial learning.
  • Others emphasize the importance of mastering GR through problem-solving and understanding Differential Geometry, indicating that no single book can provide complete mastery.
  • A participant notes that different books offer varying perspectives and that enjoyment in learning is also important, referencing Lucid's YouTube channel as a positive resource.
  • Several participants suggest alternative books with lower mathematical expectations, such as "Gravity from the Ground Up" by Schutz and "Exploring Black Holes" by Taylor and Wheeler, as potentially more accessible options for beginners.
  • One participant recommends Susskind's "Special Relativity and Classical Field Theory" for a more rigorous yet approachable introduction to relativity.
  • Another participant shares a link to a first-year lecture series on dynamics and relativity as a supplementary resource.
  • Sean Carroll's 24-page introduction to GR is mentioned as a concise resource that may complement other materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the suitability of Lucid's book for beginners, with some believing it may not be adequate for those new to the topics, while others suggest it could be useful for review. Multiple competing views on the best resources for learning SR and GR are presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the varying levels of mathematical background required for different texts and the importance of foundational knowledge in calculus and introductory physics for understanding the material in Lucid's book.

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I recently came across a book called advanced theoretical physics -nick lucid. chap6 covers tensors and chap 7&8 cover SR&GR. I have studied a bit of SR before but never GR. At this point in life I don't want to read huge books on the subject. this book covers relativity entirely in three relatively small chapters. Does the book rush through these chapters? or does it require a prior introduction to it? the preface states its meant for undergrad students and that "this book is not intended for anyone without at least some background in basic calculus and introductory physics."
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In general, I've found that no one book can give you true mastery of any subject with GR being no exception. It can take a long time to master GR solving as many problems as you can to gain insight into how it works. Basically you need to understand the concepts behind Differential Geometry to get a feeling for the special geometry of GR.
 
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What's your learning goal, concretely?

To add to Jedishfru: different books give different perspectives and emphases. I only know Lucid's YT channel, and that's really good and great fun.

And fun is often underrated in physics textbooks.
 
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haushofer said:
What's your learning goal, concretely?
I just want to have a taste of relativity before entering uni next year, so there is a bit of a time crunch! that's why I am not following the more conventional books and resources to go about learning the subject.
 
Ok. I don't know Lucid's book, but Schutz's From the ground up is excellent, right in between high school and university level.
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
I just want to have a taste of relativity before entering uni next year, so there is a bit of a time crunch! that's why I am not following the more conventional books and resources to go about learning the subject.
If you are just graduating high school, I'd concentrate on what you'd see in the first couple of years of university, not what you'd see in an advanced 4th year or graduate school. You got a long way to go.
 
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Hamiltonian299792458 said:
I recently came across a book called advanced theoretical physics -nick lucid. chap6 covers tensors and chap 7&8 cover SR&GR. I have studied a bit of SR before but never GR. At this point in life I don't want to read huge books on the subject. this book covers relativity entirely in three relatively small chapters. Does the book rush through these chapters? or does it require a prior introduction to it? the preface states its meant for undergrad students and that "this book is not intended for anyone without at least some background in basic calculus and introductory physics."
Judging from the sample posted on Gumroad, I'd think you'd find this book relatively terse if you haven't seen these topics before. It would be good for review, for refreshing your memory on a topic, or clarifying notions in your mind, but I don't think it would be a good resource on its own to learn SR or GR from. There's a reason why people have written entire books on each topic.
 
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