Algebra behind the ratio test?

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The problem involves evaluating the convergence of the series \(\sum\limits_{i=0}^\infty \frac{i!}{5^i}\) using the ratio test. Participants are discussing the steps involved in applying the ratio test and simplifying factorial expressions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to understand a specific transition in the application of the ratio test, questioning the correctness of their expression. Other participants provide corrections and clarifications regarding the factorial properties and the correct formulation of the limit.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying the steps of the ratio test and the properties of factorials. Some have offered detailed explanations to aid understanding, while others have pointed out errors in the original poster's approach. Multiple interpretations of the factorial simplifications are being explored.

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The original poster mentions a lack of familiarity with factorials, which is influencing their understanding of the problem. This context may affect the depth of discussion regarding the mathematical properties involved.

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Homework Statement


\sum\limits_{i=0}^\infty \frac{i!}{5^i}


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The Attempt at a Solution



(1) \sum\limits_{i=0}^\infty \frac{i!}{5^i}
(2) = \lim_{i\rightarrow \infty}|{\frac{(i+1)!}{(5+1)^i} \cdot \frac{5^i}{i!}|
(3) = \lim_{i\rightarrow \infty}{\frac{(i+1)!}{5i!}

Could someone explain to me the jump from (2) to (3)? I can't make sense of it and my lecture notes don't mention anything in particular. Do the properties of factorials come into play here (I never learned factorials)?
 
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nothing happened, you should have

<br /> = \lim_{i\rightarrow \infty}|{\frac{(i+1)!}{(5)^{i+1}} \cdot \frac{5^i}{i!}|<br />

and the 5^i / 5^i+1 gives you 1/5
 
There is no jump from (2) to (3)- Your (2) is simply wrong.

As wizvuze said, you should have 5^{i+1}, not (5+ 1)^i.

\frac{(i+ 1)!}{i!}= \frac{(i+1)i!}{i!}= i+ 1
and
\frac{5^i}{5^{i+1}}= \frac{5^i}{(5^i)(5)}= \frac{1}{5}
 
Ok, what about:

\frac{1}{(i+1)!} \cdot \frac{i!}{1} = \frac{i!}{(i+1)!}

My notes says it simplifies to this:

\frac{1}{i+1}

How?
 
\frac{i!}{(i + 1)!} = \frac{i!}{(i + 1)i!} = \frac{1}{i + 1}
 
Because you said that you never learned factorials let me further explain Bohrok's reply.
5! = 5*4*3*2*1, 6! = 6*4*3*2*1 and so on.
Think of n! as multiplying all of integers from 1 up to n together.
i! = i*(i-1)*(i-2)...*3*2*1. The product of all the integers from 1 up to i.
(i+1)! = (i+1)*(i)*(i-1)*(i-2)*...*3*2*1. The product of all integers from 1 up to (i+1).
so then we have that (i+1)! = (i+1)*(i)*(i-1)*(i-2)...*3*2*1 = (i+1)*(i)!. Make this substitution on the bottom and you see that the i! on top and bottom cancel out.
 

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