Algebra: Lang vs Bourbaki Comparison

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The discussion revolves around a comparison of two algebra texts: "Algebra" by Serge Lang and the Bourbaki group's algebra series. Participants explore the suitability of each book for graduate-level study in abstract algebra, considering factors such as rigor, clarity, and comprehensiveness.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express a preference for Lang's insights but criticize his text for being confusing and containing errors.
  • Others argue that the Bourbaki style is not conducive to studying, although it may serve as a reference.
  • A participant suggests that Aluffi's "Algebra, Chapter 0" offers a modern treatment of algebra that could be beneficial.
  • Some participants recommend alternative texts, such as "Algebra" by MacLane/Birkhoff and "Algebra" by Hungerford, highlighting their strengths in introducing category theory and providing detailed explanations.
  • One participant claims that Bourbaki's algebra is the best book on the subject, citing its illuminating content, particularly regarding group representation theory.
  • There is a question about the availability and insightfulness of the English translation of Bourbaki's work, with participants noting that only chapters 1 to 7 are translated.
  • Another participant mentions using Jacobson's "Basic Algebra I and II" as a reference and tentatively recommends it.
  • Concerns are raised about the audience for Bourbaki's books and the regret of not knowing French to access untranslated materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on which book is superior, with multiple competing views on the effectiveness and clarity of Lang and Bourbaki's texts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best choice for studying abstract algebra.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with the texts and their intended use, indicating that background knowledge and specific goals may influence their recommendations. There are also mentions of errors in Lang's text and limitations in the translated versions of Bourbaki's work.

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Hello, I have access to both Algebra (the graduate one) by Lang, and the series of Algebra Chapters 1-7 by the Bourbaki group. I am okay with Lang's style and all, and I am aware that he was in the Bourbaki group, but I was wondering what is considered the better of the two. Thanks in advance.
 
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SrVishi said:
I was wondering what is considered the better of the two.

For what purpose? With what background knowledge?
 
I just want a complete treatment of abstract algebra, to make the transition to grad school easier as I graduate in a year (I'm becoming a senior in the fall). I had two courses in undergraduate algebra, though I have no problem with tough levels of rigor and terseness from my self study habits. I can also refer to other books like Dummit and Foote for a specific concept if I am struggling with it or need more specifics. Are there any more details you need to know? Thanks again.
 
Neither book is good really. Lang has very nice key insights, but much of his text is confusing and the book is riddled with errors.
As for Bourbaki... the Bourbaki style is horrible and not meant for studying. It's good as a reference though.

Try Algebra, chapter 0 from Aluffi for a very good and modern treatment of algebra.
 
Cool, I think I can also borrow Aluffi's text. Does Aluffi cover as much as Lang? Might have forgotten to specify, by I wanted a book that could (to the best of its ability) cover as much as possible.
 
Lang is a good regular course for mathematitians. The book of Bourbaki is for those who are going to be a professional in algebra
micromass said:
Lang has very nice key insights, but much of his text is confusing and the book is riddled with errors.
examples of errors?
 
Alternatively, I also recommend "Algebra" by MacLane/Birkhoff and "Algebra" by Hungerford. Former is charming as it nicely introduce the category theory and latter is very detailed with good prose. I also think either of them will prepare you for Lang.

As a side note, I heard that Bourbaki's books in algebra have good reviews.
 
Bourbaki's algebra is IMO the best book on the subject, even just understanding why group representation theory is at the end of the (untranslated!) chapter 8 was just so immensely illuminating and I couldn't find that answered anywhere else, but use Dummit and Foote as well and complete DF while taking in Bourbaki over time, it is a bit insane.
 
bolbteppa said:
Bourbaki's algebra is IMO the best book on the subject, even just understanding why group representation theory is at the end of the (untranslated!) chapter 8 was just so immensely illuminating and I couldn't find that answered anywhere else, but use Dummit and Foote as well and complete DF while taking in Bourbaki over time, it is a bit insane.

Is English-translation version not as insightful as original? Strangely, I cannot find Chapter 8 as English-version contains Chap. 1 through 7.
 
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bacte2013 said:
Is English-translation version not as insightful as original? Strangely, I cannot find Chapter 8 as English-version contains Chap. 1 through 7.

I think only chapters 1 to 7 are translated, there's a new (French) algebraic topology too. Also the manifolds book is not translated :(
 
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I've been using Jacobson's Basic Algebra I and II as a reference lately, and I feel I can give a tentative recommendation for it.
 
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bolbteppa said:
I think only chapters 1 to 7 are translated, there's a new (French) algebraic topology too. Also the manifolds book is not translated :(

I see. That is extremely unfortunate...This is one of time that I regret that learning another language, i.e. French. What are audiences for Bourbakian books? I am planning to read Algebra chapters, but I am not sure yet.
 
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As said before I suggest also Paolo Aluffi "Algebra: Chapter 0"
 
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