Alternator , generator efficiency

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the efficiency ranges of alternators and generators, particularly focusing on brushed versus brushless types and the efficiency of power station generators. Participants explore whether efficiency increases with size and share insights from personal experience and external resources.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the efficiency of brushed alternators typically ranges from 50% to 60%, while brushless alternators may reach up to 75%.
  • One participant claims that power stations can achieve efficiencies around 95% and that efficiency tends to increase with size.
  • A later reply mentions that power plant alternators can exceed 98% efficiency, citing the use of compressed hydrogen for cooling as a factor.
  • Another participant references a Toshiba link that claims a generator efficiency of 99%.
  • Discussion includes the idea that in car alternators, efficiency is important for reducing heat transfer area, leading to more compact designs.
  • There is a mention that generators are generally not high-efficiency machines, as noted in an external thread linked by one participant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the efficiency of different types of alternators and generators, with no consensus on specific efficiency values or the factors influencing them. Some agree that larger generators tend to be more efficient, while others provide differing efficiency figures.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference external sources and personal experiences, indicating that the discussion may be limited by the availability of definitive data and the specific contexts in which different types of generators operate.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electrical engineering, power generation, and automotive design may find this discussion relevant, particularly those exploring efficiency in generators and alternators.

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Hi I've been looking in google although I can't find a definitive answer, what are the usual efficiency range for alternators, some talk about brushed ones in the range of 50 to 60 % , brushelss some say go as highas 75%, maybe some of you folks know from your experience what are the typical efficiency of a power station generator for example, does the efficiency increase with size?
 
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It does increase with size and power stations run on the order of 95%.
 
Mr.Bomzh said:
Hi I've been looking in google although I can't find a definitive answer, what are the usual efficiency range for alternators, some talk about brushed ones in the range of 50 to 60 % , brushelss some say go as highas 75%, maybe some of you folks know from your experience what are the typical efficiency of a power station generator for example, does the efficiency increase with size?

You may want to read this thread https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=738434&page=4
It doesn't give the complete answer, but discuss about generator efficiency. Generators are never high efficient machines.
 
I believe you'll find power plant alternators can beat 98%.
They do tricks like use compressed hydrogen for cooling because hydrogen being less dense than air takes less power to pump .
Utility would prefer to sell that energy as electricity than dump it as heat.
Here's a Toshiba link offering 99%.
http://www3.toshiba.co.jp/power/english/thermal/products/generators/hydrogen.htm

In a car alternator the only incentive for efficiency is there's less heat to get rid of, so efficiency let's you reduce heat transfer area which means a more compact unit.
With today's smaller engines and fuel economy mandates there's probably increased attention to efficiency - but in my day everybody had 400 cubic inches and a half acre engine compartment..
http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/...rysler_300d_well_traveled_brute/photo_01.html

images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTDj3M2GCyhPrpEaooGNwoDXOZcmNryu6q5bnvnIcv7Tl04d9ck.jpg
 

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