Amplitude and frequency dependence on energy of a wave.

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the amplitude, frequency, and energy of waves, specifically focusing on electromagnetic waves and photons. Participants explore the implications of energy being proportional to both amplitude and frequency, and the nature of photons as wave packets.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the energy of a wave is proportional to the square of its amplitude and also to its frequency, questioning the implications of this relationship.
  • Another participant clarifies that while the energy of a photon is proportional to its frequency, an electromagnetic wave consists of many photons, which can have varying energies.
  • A question is raised about whether a photon can be considered a wave packet and if an electromagnetic wave is a composition of these wave packets.
  • A later reply supports the idea that a photon can be viewed as a wave packet but also mentions that photons are not strictly limited to this characterization.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of photons and their relationship to wave packets, indicating that multiple perspectives exist without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference the Planck relation and the concept of energy distribution among photons in electromagnetic waves, but the discussion does not resolve the implications of these relationships or the definitions of wave packets.

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Hello all,

I have learned that the energy of a wave is proportional to the square of its amplitude. I have also learned (by the Planck relation) that the energy of a wave is proportional to the frequency of the wave. Doesn't this imply that the frequency of a wave is proportional to the square of its amplitude? I know this deduction is wrong; what am I messing up here??

Thanks for your help and time,
F2
 
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The energy of a photon is proportional to its frequency. Eγ=hv where h is Planck's constant and v is the frequency.

The energy of an EM wave is indeed proportional to the square of its amplitude. But this wave is made of many individual photons. An EM wave coming from a blue light can have the same energy as an EM wave coming from a red light, but the red light will consist of more photons to make up for a smaller energy per photon.
 
So is a photon a wave packet, and an EM wave a composition of wave packets (photons)?
 
Hi Famwood2

So is a photon a wave packet, and an EM wave a composition of wave packets (photons)?

that's my understanding, Yes tho through reading I understand that a photon doesn't have to be restricted to a wave packet

here's a couple of articles you may find interesting :smile:

Photon wave functions, wave-packet quantization of light, and coherence theory
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0708/0708.0831.pdf


Focus: Shaping Single Photons
Published September 5, 2008 | Phys. Rev. Focus 22, 8 (2008) | DOI: 10.1103/PhysRevFocus.22.8

cheers
Dave
 
Thanks!
 

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