An infinity of points on two unequal lines- an intuitive explanation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of infinity in relation to the number of points on line segments of different lengths, specifically addressing how to intuitively understand that a 1-foot line segment contains the same number of points as a 2-foot line segment. The scope includes theoretical exploration of set theory and mathematical reasoning.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express difficulty in intuitively accepting the idea that a 1-foot line segment has the same number of points as a 2-foot line segment, suggesting a need for mental training to grasp this concept.
  • One participant proposes an analogy of a rubber band, suggesting that doubling its length does not change the amount of "rubber," which they relate to the concept of points on a line.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the intervals [0, 1] and [0, 2] are sets of points with a 1-1 mapping, arguing that this is a mathematical fact that does not require intuitive training.
  • A brief mention of the function y=2x is presented as an example of a bijection, implying a mathematical relationship between the two intervals.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus; some express a need for intuitive understanding while others assert that mathematical proofs suffice without requiring intuition.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the nature of points as dimensionless objects and the implications this has on understanding infinity, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the concept of a point. The discussion also touches on the Banach-Tarski paradox and the axiom of choice as relevant but unresolved topics.

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How do you train your intuition to accept the fact that a 1 foot long line segment has the same amount numbers /points as a 2 foot long?
I am familiar with Cantor's work on the concept of infinity and his use of the set theory to explain various types of infinities. Having said that my intuition never seems truly grasp/accept it.

Is there a way to train my mind to see this seemingly contradictory situation as a fact? This is the opposite of an illusion.
 
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musicgold said:
Summary:: How do you train your intuition to accept the fact that a 1 foot long line segment has the same amount numbers /points as a 2 foot long?

Is there a way to train my mind to see this seemingly contradictory situation as a fact?
Imagine it like a rubber. You can double its length and still have the same rubber in hand.

This image isn't as weird as it may sound. The actual problem with intuition here is the concept of a point. We cannot imagine a dimensionless object, so we associate a tiny ball. Both are wrong. While points are factually dimensionless, we still can work with them. E.g. collect enough of them to form a line. So there must be something, regardless of the fact that it has no dimension.

This system immanent misconception of points is also the major obstacle in the Banach-Tarski paradox, more than the axiom of choice is.
 
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musicgold said:
Summary:: How do you train your intuition to accept the fact that a 1 foot long line segment has the same amount numbers /points as a 2 foot long?
You can't measure the number line in feet and inches. The interval ##[0, 1]## and the interval ##[0, 2]## are sets of points. One is a proper subset of the other, but there exists a 1-1 mapping between them. Both of these statements are elementary to prove. That's mathematics. You don't have to train any intuition.
 
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y=2x is a bijection.
 

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