Analysis involving Cardinality of Infinite sets

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The discussion revolves around the cardinality of infinite sets, specifically addressing the relationship between an infinite set X and the set X \ {x}, where x is an element of X. Participants are exploring the implications of showing that these two sets are in one-to-one correspondence.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the concept of mapping elements from X to X \ {x} and whether the proposed mappings are one-to-one and onto. There is a focus on the intuition behind the cardinality of infinite sets and the implications of removing a single element.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the mapping and the necessity of demonstrating that it is both one-to-one and onto. There is an ongoing exploration of the intuitive understanding of infinite cardinalities, with some expressing uncertainty about the implications of the mathematical results.

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Participants are grappling with the abstract nature of infinite sets and the counterintuitive results that arise from their properties. There is a recognition of the challenge in reconciling mathematical proofs with intuitive understanding.

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1. If X is an infinite set and x is in X, show that X ~ X \ {x}



A~B if there exists a one-to-one function from A onto B.



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I'm pretty much completely stumped on this problem. I know that since X is infinite then it contains a sequence of distinct points. So x in X maps onto x1 of X\{x} and xn maps onto xn+1 of X\{x}. Is this enough to show that is 1-1 and onto?
 
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If by 'containing a sequence of discrete points' that you mean that X contains a subset that can be put into 1-1 correspondence with the positive integers and contains x, yes, that's exactly what you do. You should probably specify what your mapping does to points that aren't in the 'discrete sequence' as well, right? So can you SHOW that's 1-1 and onto?
 
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Yes that's what I meant by containing a sequence of distinct points. I think I got it now but I'm still not 100% convinced about the answer. Basically I want to say that there is a sequence of distinct points in X \ {x} where x->x1 and xn->xn+1 and for any other element y in X that y->y. That definitely shows onto since each element in X\{x} has a corresponding element in X that maps to it and I suppose it shows 1-1 as well.
 
What could go wrong with 1-1? This is the same as showing the map from {0,1,2...} to {1,2,3,...} defined by i->i+1 is 1-1. The points that aren't in those sets are automatically 1-1, since y->y. Why so hesitant about 1-1?
 
I'm not really hesitant about 1-1. Sorry my syntax was kind of confusing there. I think I understand the math behind it, but it just doesn't make intuitive sense to me. We're essentially saying that the cardinality of an infinite set is the same as the cardinality of that same set minus one element. Sure, it can be proved mathematically, I just don't like it.
 
You can choose not to like it. But the logic is hard to argue with, isn't it? A={0,1,2,3...} and B={1,2,3,4...}. B is just A 'moved over 1'. Just adding a number to each element of a set can't change the number of elements in the set, can it? How can their sizes really be different? Infinite sets take some getting used to, I'll admit that.
 
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