Angle between vectors via scalar product vs vector product

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the methods for determining the angle between two vectors using scalar and vector products. Participants explore the differences in outcomes when applying these methods and the implications of the results.

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Main Points Raised

  • Andy presents a scenario with two vectors and describes the correct angle obtained using the scalar product method.
  • Andy expresses confusion about obtaining a different angle using the vector product method and seeks clarification.
  • Some participants explain that the discrepancy arises because the sine function can yield multiple angles, specifically noting that ##\sin(180^\circ - \theta) = \sin(\theta)##.
  • One participant emphasizes that the scalar product is more suitable for finding angles between vectors since the angle must lie between 0 and 180 degrees.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical properties of the sine function and the suitability of the scalar product for this problem. However, the discussion reflects some uncertainty regarding the application of the vector product method.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not resolve the underlying assumptions about the methods used or the conditions under which each method is appropriate.

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Hello, I have a question about why I can't determine the angle between two vectors using their cross product.

Say there are two vectors in the XY-plane that we want to find the angle between:

A = -2.00i + 6.00j
B
= 2.00i - 3.00j

The method to do this would be to work out the scalar product of the vectors, calculate the magnitude of each vector, and use these to determine the angle via this relationship:

AB = AB cos ∅

In the example above, this gives a correct angle of 165°.

However, I feel like it should be possible to arrive at the same answer using a vector product method instead. So I tried calculating the vector product, and used it with the calculated magnitudes of the vectors and the following relationship:

AXB = AB sin Φ

However, using this method results in an angle of 15.3°.

I must be missing something in the way all of this works and wondered if anyone could provide me with the knowledge I'm missing!

Thanks!
Andy
 
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It is because ##\sin(180^\circ - \theta) = \sin(\theta)##. The arc sin on your calculator usually returns a value between -90° and 90°, so you have to check if the angle you get is the correct one, or if you have to take ##180^\circ - \theta##.
 
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DrClaude said:
It is because ##\sin(180^\circ - \theta) = \sin(\theta)##. The arc sin on your calculator usually returns a value between -90° and 90°, so you have to check if the angle you get is the correct one, or if you have to take ##180^\circ - \theta##.

Ahh of course! That's solved the mystery! Thanks a lot DrClaude :)
 
And since the angle between two vectors always lies between 0 and 180 degrees, but not always between -90 and 90 degrees, the scalar product is more suitable than the vector product for this type of problem.
 

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