Angular acceleration in moment of inertia

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of moment of inertia and angular acceleration in a system involving a cylinder and a hanging mass. The original poster is tasked with determining the maximum mass that can hang from a string wrapped around a cylinder without causing it to slide, given certain parameters such as mass, friction, and unknown radius.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply equations related to moment of inertia and acceleration but expresses confusion regarding the application of angular acceleration in relation to the center of mass of the cylinder. Some participants question the interpretation of the system as closed and discuss the implications of external forces.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the equations involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the angular acceleration and the acceleration of the center of mass, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's understanding of the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the frictional force is external to the system, which may affect the dynamics being analyzed. The original poster's confusion stems from the application of angular acceleration in the context of the cylinder's motion.

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I'm having a hard time undertanding a concept of moment of inertia and Angular acceleration.

Homework Statement


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We have a closed system above. M1 is a cylinder of 2 Kilograms, moment of inertia of a cylinder ( MR2 /2 ) with a string tightly rolled around it. This string connects to a free hanging mass (m kilograms) from a ideal massless pulley like in the picture. Gravity is present but has uknown value. The surface under M1 has a static friction coefficient of .1 . When the System is released from Rest the mass descends. The Radius of the cylinder (R) is unknown.

Determine the maximum value of m so that the cylinder rolls without sliding

Homework Equations


Sum of Moment of inertias on Cylinder = MR2 /2 . α
α.R=a
F=ma
μE =.1

The Attempt at a Solution


let a be acceleration of the string (mass m) and acm be the acceleration of M's center of mass. Ψ will be the force of friction.
mg-T=ma
m= T/(g-a)
T+Ψ=Macm (Ψ and T vectors have same direction.

My problem with this case stems from the moment of inertia equation.
We have the following:
TR -ΨR=(MR2 /2)α

Simplifying we get 2T -2Ψ=MRα
In the solution given to us by the teacher, multiplying the angular acceleration by the radius would give us the acceleration of the center of mass of the cylinder. I feel something is wrong since usually the equation gives the acceleration for the edge of the cylinder which is not the same as the center.
 
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It's not a closed system. The frictional force is external, as are the forces on the string from the pulley, but they don't affect your attempted solution.
dumbdumNotSmart said:
usually the equation gives the acceleration for the edge of the cylinder which is not the same as the center.
That would be the acceleration of a perimeter point relative to the centre. Here your teacher is simply reversing that, using it for the acceleration of the centre relative to the edge.
 
haruspex said:
That would be the acceleration of a perimeter point relative to the centre. Here your teacher is simply reversing that, using it for the acceleration of the centre relative to the edge.

Excuse me?
 
While explaining my reasoning in an upcoming reply I found what I was doing wrong.
 

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