Angular acceleration of the pulley

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The discussion focuses on calculating the angular acceleration of a pulley connected to a block, including the block's acceleration and the tension in the rope. The user derives the angular acceleration using the moment of inertia and Newton's second law, arriving at an angular acceleration of 160/9 rad/s². For the block's acceleration, they calculate it to be 80/9 m/s². However, there is confusion regarding the tension in the rope, with the user finding it to be 100/9 N, while the book states it should be 800/9 N, which the user disputes as incorrect. The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the system's setup, confirming that the pulley is fixed and only rotates, while the block accelerates downward.
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a block with a mass of m=10kg is connected to a pulley with a mass of M=2.5kg and a radius of R=0.5m. what is
1) the angular acceleration of the pulley
2) the acceleration of the block
3) the tension in the rope connecting them?
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equations
F=ma
I\alpha=|FR|sin
a=\alphaR
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my attempt

1)I\alpha=|FR|sin
the angle between the radius and the force (the rope) is 90 degrees, sin90=1

I\alpha=|TR|
I=0.5MR^{2}
using Newtons 2nd law on the block mg-T=ma,=> T=m(g-a)

\alpha=|TR|/I
=\frac{mR(g-a)}{0.5MR^{2}}
=\frac{2m(g-a)}{MR}

a=\alphaR
\alpha=\frac{2m(g-\alphaR)}{MR}
\alphaMR=2mg-2m\alphaR
\alpha(MR+2mR)=2mg

\alpha=\frac{2mg}{R(M+2m)}

plug in the numbers, and i get \alpha= \frac{160}{9} rad/s^{2}


2) to find the acceleration of the block, a

a=\alphaR=\frac{2mg}{(M+2m)}=\frac{80}{9}m/s^{2}


3) to find the tension in the rope, using Newtons 2nd law on the block mg-T=ma,=> T=m(g-a) using the a i found in 2)

T=m(g-\frac{2mg}{(M+2m)})=100/9 N

are these workings correct??
the answers are all correct except the answer for 3) which my book says T=800/9
 
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I have no idea what you are doing. Why should the mass and pulley move at all? Are you assuming that the mass is hanging from a cable passing through the pulley? Is there a force on the cable? Is the pulley attached to something?

In other words, what is the question? You can't just start writing equations without explaining what's going on!
 


sorry, in the actual question there is a diagram, so its a little more understood than my version...

the mass is attached to a cord which passes through the pulley, the pulley is fixed in its place and can only spin(not move upwards or donwards) the mass has downward acceleration.
 


Dell said:
3) to find the tension in the rope, using Newtons 2nd law on the block mg-T=ma,=> T=m(g-a) using the a i found in 2)

T=m(g-\frac{2mg}{(M+2m)})=100/9 N

are these workings correct??
Looks OK to me. (You are using g = 10 m/s^2.)
 


i am using g as 10
but even if i used 9.8 that wouldn't have changed the anwser to 800/9,
the only way i seem to be able to reach that answer is if i say-
T=ma, which is just wrong,
 


Dell said:
i am using g as 10
but even if i used 9.8 that wouldn't have changed the anwser to 800/9,
the only way i seem to be able to reach that answer is if i say-
T=ma, which is just wrong,
Correct. The book's answer is way off.
 
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