Angular and linear acceleration

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The discussion centers on calculating the linear acceleration of an Atwood machine with a pulley that has mass concentrated at its rim. The user initially calculates the net force and attempts to apply Newton's second law, incorporating the moment of inertia and angular acceleration. However, they realize their approach was flawed and seek clarification on where their method became invalid. After drawing a free body diagram (FBD) and treating the weights as torques, they find the correct solution. The conversation highlights the importance of accurately accounting for forces and torques in systems involving rotational motion.
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Homework Statement



An Atwood machine is constructed using a
hoop with spokes of negligible mass. The
2.4 kg mass of the pulley is concentrated on
its rim, which is a distance 20.9 cm from the
axle. The mass on the right is 1.36 kg and on
the left is 1.79 kg.
What is the magnitude of the linear accel-
eration of the hanging masses? The accelera-
tion of gravity is 9.8 m/s^2

Answer in units of m/s^2


Homework Equations


F=ma
\tau=I \alpha
\alpha R=v


The Attempt at a Solution



Ok I found the net force action on the system as the difference of the two weight forces so:
F1=1.79*9.8=17.542N F2=1.36*9.8=13.328N
Fnet=4.214N

Now I said that F=ma, but since the wheel has a mass, and thus a moment of inertia I said:
F=(m1+m2)a+I\alpha where m1 and m2 are the weights and I is the moment of inertia and alpha is the angular acceleration of the wheel
I think this is probably where I am mistaken...but continuing from here

I=mr^2=2.4*(.209^2)=.104834

and I say a=\alphar

4.214=(3.15 kg)a+I*a/r
4.214=3.15a+.501598a => 4.214=(3.6516)a
a=1.15402 m/s^2

and needless to say this is incorrect :(

Any help would be wonderful! Thanks a lot
 

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You need to draw a FBD for each of the three bodies (two falling masses and the wheel) and let that guide you to writing your equations.
 
Ok, I have figured it out by drawing a FBD and treating the weights as torques on the wheel. But I am still curious and would like to know at what point what I attempted becomes invalid?
 
I'll let you figure that out.
 
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