Angular Momentum of a particle

1. Jan 17, 2008

saiaspire

Angular Momentum....

Since magnitude of the angular momentum of a particle ( or body) depends upon the linear momentum of a particle( r x p)[ p- linear momentum, r - position vector]

does it mean that a body rotating about a fixed axis( only rotational motion ) does not posses any angular momentum?

i am really confused since angular momentum is the rate of change of torque...

2. Jan 17, 2008

waht

Any rotating mass has angular momentum. It's magnitude can also be given by,

$$L = I \omega$$

where I is moment of inertia. The direction of the vector is given by the right hand rule.

Try taking the derivative of the angular momentum with respect to time

$$L = r \times p$$

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3. Jan 17, 2008

jdg812

If mass is not rotating, it has angular momentum as well.

L = r x p

4. Jan 17, 2008

waht

$$\frac {d}{dt} \L = r \times \frac {dp}{dt} + \frac {dr}{dt} \times p$$

Usually we assume that

$$\frac {dr}{dt} = 0$$

Hence

$$\tau = r \times \frac {dp}{dt} = r \times F$$

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5. Jan 17, 2008

waht

Yes, but it's a zero vector.

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6. Jan 18, 2008

jdg812

I do not think so...
If a mass does not rotate around its own center and does not rotate around other center ("O" in the picture), just moving straight, it still may have non-zero angular momentum.

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7. Jan 18, 2008

waht

Yes you are right jdg812, I kept r constant. You can zip by O in a straight light and have angular momentum with respect to O. In this case, r is a variable.

$$L = mvr \sin(\phi)$$

As long as

$$\sin(\phi), p, r$$

is not zero you have non-zero angular momentum.

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8. Jan 18, 2008

Tom Mattson

Staff Emeritus
OK

No, it doesn't mean that at all. You can view a rotating body as a collection of particles orbiting a common axis. What you do is compute the differential angular momentum for a particle in the body whose mass is dm. This gives you the angular momentum for just that one piece of the body. Then you integrate over the entire body to get the total angular momentum. Since all the particles are orbiting the axis of rotation in the same direction, the result can't possibly be zero.

Other way around. Torque is the time derivative of angular momentum.

9. Jan 18, 2008

Tom Mattson

Staff Emeritus
It doesn't matter if you assume $d\vec{r}/dt=0$. $d\vec{r}/dt$ is parallel to $\vec{p}$. The cross product of any two parallel vectors is zero.

10. Jan 18, 2008

saiaspire

thanks guys...