Angular velocity of cylinders after slipping over each other

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The discussion focuses on the angular velocities of two cylinders after they slip over each other due to friction. It emphasizes the application of conservation of angular momentum, noting that it is not valid when external torques are present, as in this case with the axles exerting forces. The initial attempt to calculate the final angular speeds using the conservation principle was deemed incorrect due to these external influences. The conversation highlights the importance of considering the tangential forces between the cylinders during the slipping phase. Ultimately, a correct approach must account for the net torque generated by the constraints of the system.
carlyn medona

Homework Statement


two cylinders of radii r1, and r2
having moments of inertia I1, and I2, about their
respective axes. Initially, the cylinders rotate about their
axes with angular speeds w1, and w 2 as shown in the
figure. The cylinders are moved closer to touch each other
keeping the axes parallel. The cylinders first slip over
each other at the contact but the slipping finally ceases
due to the friction between them. Find the angular speeds
of the cylinders after the slipping ceases

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3. The Attempt at a Solution [/B]
I applied conservation of angular momentum for the system
so, I1w1-I2w2=I1ω1-I2ω2
since linear speed is same ω1r1=-ω2r2
so I got ω1 on solving to be=r2(I1w1-I2w2)/(I1r2-I2r1)
which is wrong,
 

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Conservation of angular momentum cannot be applied in the axis parallel to axis of cylinder. This is because force is being applied by the axis so that Fext=0.
and this force will generate torque about any axis parallel to the cylinder axis.
 
carlyn medona said:
I applied conservation of angular momentum for the system
That is only valid for a system upon which there is no net external torque. In this case, each cylinder is constrained to an axle, so the axles can exert forces on the system. You can eliminate one by taking moments about an axle, but then you have a net torque from the other axle. There's no way to eliminate both.
Consider the tangential forces the cylinders exert on each other.
 
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