Another Comparison of Integrals

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The discussion revolves around the convergence or divergence of the integral \(\int^\infty_1 \frac{x^2+1}{x^3 + 3x + 2} dx\), utilizing properties of rational and exponential functions as \(x \rightarrow \infty\). Participants reference a box of known integrals that provide criteria for convergence based on the parameter \(p\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore comparisons with known integrals, questioning how to determine if the given integral is greater or less than others. There is discussion about the implications of using diverging integrals to infer the behavior of the original integral.

Discussion Status

The conversation includes attempts to estimate the behavior of the integral by simplifying the expression and comparing it to other integrals. Some participants suggest methods for bounding the integral, while others express confusion about the validity of these comparisons. There is no explicit consensus, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working within the constraints of the problem statement and the provided box of integrals, which influences their reasoning about convergence and divergence. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the assumptions made in the comparisons.

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Homework Statement


Use the box and the behavior of rational and exponential functions as [tex]x \rightarrow \infty[/tex] to predict whether the integrals converge or diverge.

Here is the box:
[tex]\int^\infty_1 \frac{1}{x^p} dx[/tex] converges for p > 1 and diverges for p < 1.

[tex]\int^1_0 \frac{1}{x^p} dx[/tex] converges for p < 1 and diverges for p > 1.

[tex]\int^\infty_0 e^{-ax} dx[/tex] converges for a > 0.

Here is the problem I need help with:
[tex]\int^\infty_1 \frac{x^2+1}{x^3 + 3x + 2} dx[/tex]

Homework Equations


The box above.

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that this integral is less than [tex]\int^\infty_1 \frac{1}{x} dx[/tex]. I also know that [tex]\int^\infty_1 \frac{1}{x} dx[/tex] diverges. This does not help me though because I can not use a diverging integral to say that a smaller integral is also diverging. This is where I'm confused.
 
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Is it greater than say, 1/(100*x)? Does the integral of 1/(100*x) converge or diverge?
 
1 / (100x) diverges.

How do I tell which integral is greater?
 
Estimate ruthlessly. Eg. would you believe (x^2+1)/(x^3+3*x+3)>x^2/(x^3+3*x^3+3*x^3).

You should. I've made the numerator less and the denominator bigger. (x>1). Now simplify the RHS.
 
So it's more of guessing to pick something that's bigger?

Your RHS simplifies to 1/(7x).. which diverges..

So, we can also say that the original integral diverges..

So, for your RHS, did you just pull random numbers out of the sky until you figured it would be smaller than the original integral.. so that you could prove divergence?
 
Sure. I just made the numerator smaller and the denominator bigger in such a way that I could easily simplify and still have a divergence. Not that much 'guesswork' involved.
 
All right, makes a lot of sense.

Thanks a lot.
 

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